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Sanders Being Harassed by blacklivesmatter#

 
 
RABEL222
 
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Reply Wed 12 Aug, 2015 03:12 pm
@maxdancona,
You need to become more racist. You know black is bad white is good.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 12 Aug, 2015 03:18 pm
The R's have calculated that the key to winning in 2016 is to drive up the white male vote, and to go after them even harder than ever. Long term they need to stop relying on this group, but they can win with it in 2016 and they will worry about the future later. The fact that Hillary is having unexpected problems with the white female vote makes 2016 even more rosy for the R's.

Make no mistake, 2016 will stick to the script of racially divisive politics. Which is another in a long list of reasons why we should not expect to see Washington functioning any better anytime soon.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 12 Aug, 2015 05:56 pm
Occupy.com: An Open Letter to Bernie Sanders Supporters


http://www.occupy.com/article/open-letter-bernie-sanders-supporters

The primary process of a presidential election is a time where acts of disruption should be encouraged, no matter the target. In a healthy democracy, protesters' disruptions of candidates' stump speeches would be celebrated. Almost all of this year's presidential candidates are current or former governors, U.S. senators, or wealthy captains of industry and have the means to be able to have their voices heard at any time they like. But the people dying in the streets and living under the thumb of institutional racism don't have that privilege. And if they have to shut down a campaign event to force candidates and the media to acknowledge their epidemic and propose solutions, they'll do it.

As someone who has said they are the only candidate who can represent the oppressed underclass, and who has run on his record of sitting in to protest Jim Crow laws in the 1960s, Bernie Sanders deserves to be disrupted precisely for this reason. As unfair as it may seem to his supporters, it doesn't matter to young black people losing their friends and family today that a white liberal in the 1960s did what he was expected to do – the only thing that matters is what he's doing right now.

After getting interrupted at Netroots Nation, storming off the stage, and refusing to meet with Black Lives Matter protesters, Bernie Sanders wised up and hired Symone Sanders – a powerful, outspoken, young black woman who volunteers at the Coalition for Juvenile Justice – to be his national press secretary after she convinced him that economic inequality and racial inequality are interconnected. Bernie Sanders used to get called out by conservatives for omitting racial justice from his stump speech. But on Sunday he's since revised his website and stump speech to address about racial injustice issues of mass incarceration, voting rights, police militarization, and how black people are disproportionately targeted. This is proof that disruption works. And we need more of it, not less.

If your issue isn't getting talked about, and if a candidate is coming to your town for a public event, you should absolutely do everything you can to be heard. Last month, Hillary Clinton got heckled for her horrendous record on climate change. Protesters greeted Martin O'Malley at his campaign announcement in Baltimore, saying he "must atone" for propagating racially-biased policing as Baltimore's mayor. In New Hampshire, Scott Walker was the subject of a clever photo-op protest, regarding his campaign donations from the Koch Brothers. Protest is essential to political discourse, and protest only works if you succeed in changing the conversation. Was it rude for OutsideAgitators206 to interrupt Bernie Sanders? Yes. But did they succeed in pushing Black Lives Matter to the front of the conversation? Absolutely.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 12 Aug, 2015 05:58 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
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If your issue isn't getting talked about, and if a candidate is coming to your town for a public event, you should absolutely do everything you can to be heard.


I would expect nothing better from a group that takes as its name "occupy".
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Lash
 
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Reply Thu 13 Aug, 2015 03:17 am
@ehBeth,
Those were fabulous articles, Beth. You have a talent finding good stuff. I knew H/Ls were becoming a national majority relatively soon, but the information on the 2014 voting majority in Cali due to age brought it into sharp focus.

I started seeing and hearing from more people from diverse ethnicities supporting the Bern in LA thankfully - and H/Ls seem to like him when they hear about him, so I feel really good about our chances. I'm really relieved to see that he's not held hostage by these people claiming to be BLM.

This is incredibly good news.
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Lash
 
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Reply Thu 13 Aug, 2015 03:56 am
@maxdancona,
I just wanted to say I agreed completely with that great post. Now that there's been such a recent demographic earthquake, BLM needs to find a candidate that supports their policies. The Hispanic vote is increasingly vital to all candidates.

From the articles Beth brought, I almost think we're seeing the last vestiges of the GOP and a coming and real split of the Dems toward the left. I mean, Bernie's candidacy may have seemed like a foreshadowing of that - but with the significant demographic shift, I thin it has to spell an end to the GOP.

I think we should put Democrat Socialist on the ballots - and grow some parties.
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snood
 
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Reply Thu 13 Aug, 2015 07:06 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Great stuff Bobsal. All the talk about 'who needs who' in this coming election was missing the core of why black Lives matters-matters. The recent interest in making campaigns include more significant addressing of the need for police and criminal justice reform is a direct result of the sometimes inconvenient agitation of BLM.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Thu 13 Aug, 2015 08:02 am
@snood,
It really bothers me that 1. we had better start talking seriously and honestly about race and how racism didn't, can't and won't end without reconciliation.
2. Bernie has had a hard time engaging people of color, not people of color have had a hard time approaching Bernie Sanders.

I think Bernie Sanders has a program that goes far to protecting all Americans, but he needs to inspire more of everyone to get on board.
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revelette2
 
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Reply Thu 13 Aug, 2015 08:06 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:
After getting interrupted at Netroots Nation, storming off the stage, and refusing to meet with Black Lives Matter protesters, Bernie Sanders wised up and hired Symone Sanders – a powerful, outspoken, young black woman who volunteers at the Coalition for Juvenile Justice – to be his national press secretary after she convinced him that economic inequality and racial inequality are interconnected. Bernie Sanders used to get called out by conservatives for omitting racial justice from his stump speech. But on Sunday he's since revised his website and stump speech to address about racial injustice issues of mass incarceration, voting rights, police militarization, and how black people are disproportionately targeted. This is proof that disruption works. And we need more of it, not less.


Good
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Thu 13 Aug, 2015 08:09 am
@revelette2,
Yep. Very good, and with Bernie Sanders we know this wasn't a window covering hire.
revelette2
 
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Reply Thu 13 Aug, 2015 10:15 am
@bobsal u1553115,
I don't know about that, but in any event, it is still good as she will have influence on getting the message out there via Sanders. Sanders will benefit for having her as well as it will draw more of the black vote which doesn't hurt at all in the polls.

Or they could both have agreed it was for the best because they just believe it, either way, it is good.
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snood
 
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Reply Thu 13 Aug, 2015 11:11 am
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:

Yep. Very good, and with Bernie Sanders we know this wasn't a window covering hire.

Interesting. So you don't think Sanders is even capable of doing something out of purely political calculation?
maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 13 Aug, 2015 12:27 pm
@snood,
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Interesting. So you don't think Sanders is even capable of doing something out of purely political calculation?


Sanders is impressive because of his consistency on these issues. He has always supported civil rights. He has always supported same sex marriage. He has always opposed the war on drugs and cutbacks on welfare and war.

The problem with "political calculations" is that it causes candidates to take the cause of the day, rather than holding to a set of core values. If you compare the record of Bernie Sanders to that of Hillary Clinton, you will see the difference.

This is the main reason I am such an enthusiastic supporter of Bernie Sanders.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Thu 13 Aug, 2015 02:33 pm
@snood,
Seen no sign of it yet. Do you think he made a punky hire?
maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 13 Aug, 2015 03:33 pm
@snood,
A question for you Snood...

What would Bernie Sanders have to do to earn your vote?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 13 Aug, 2015 03:37 pm
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“A lot of folks have been talking to me like, ‘Oh those girls weren’t very organized and they were very emotional,’” Oso said. “I probably would have gotten very emotional and upset and started screaming and crying too if I had been shut down the way they tried to shut those ladies down.”
Although decentralized and often said to be lacking organization, Black Lives Matter is actually following the same model and “on the same continuum” as previous struggles for liberation that came before it, Oso said. During the civil rights movement, there were massive marches in the South, but Martin Luther King Jr. also met with President Lyndon Johnson behind closed doors, she said. During the abolition of slavery, there were similar demonstrations occurring while Frederick Douglas sat down with Abraham Lincoln behind closed doors.


http://thinkprogress.org/election/2015/08/13/3691021/black-lives-matter-strategy/

Notice the sense of entitlement to trespass upon others, and the lack of recognition that picketing and stealing a stage are two different things.

Quote:
Not all of the disruptions will go smoothly, and activists may continue to appear emotional and angry when approaching candidates, Oso said. But critics who say Black Lives Matter activists don’t respond well to being shut out of political events are missing a crucial fact about the movement.
“People are talking about Black Lives Matter activism — the way that we’re doing things and the strategy and tactics — in a way that is very detached without understanding that what we’re doing is very personal to us,” she said. “It’s very, very personal. I have experience with police violence. Members of my family have been brutalized by the police.”
Instead of treating the movement as any other advocacy group, Oso said people should realize that it means more to the activists.
“I think a lot of the critiques are absent of the fact that we are fighting for our lives.”


In other words those who adopt the victim tag have more rights than those who dont.

ARGUMENT REJECTED.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 13 Aug, 2015 04:03 pm
@hawkeye10,
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Power doesn't work like that. Disrupting power, after centuries of all kinds of unfair practices and policies in a nation built on apartheid, is exactly how this works.

I don't have to ask nicely for anything that is guaranteed to other Americans.

Stop expecting Black people to do that.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kelly-wickham-/if-the-black-lives-matter_b_7977044.html

Astonishingly enough I do expect black people to respect my rights, and I expect them to act like they believe in equality. To make the case that their rights are not being respect as they trespass on mine negates their argument totally, at that point I dont care, **** them. If they want a different result then they will have to act better.

Sue me.
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Lash
 
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Reply Thu 13 Aug, 2015 04:16 pm
@maxdancona,
Exactly. He's been shooting himself in the foot for twenty years politically due to his unyielding obsession with fighting for the rights of other people. Gays, blacks, vets, the elderly, handicapped, women. He has been on the right side of all those issues when it was politically dangerous.

This is why he "walks on water" where a lot of people are concerned.
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snood
 
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Reply Thu 13 Aug, 2015 05:01 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

A question for you Snood...

What would Bernie Sanders have to do to earn your vote?


Hey, I'm easy dude. But it is about a year before I cast a vote for anyone, so you won't mind if I continue to watch and listen awhile?
snood
 
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Reply Thu 13 Aug, 2015 05:08 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:

Seen no sign of it yet. Do you think he made a punky hire?

I believe Sanders probably has some genuine concern and consideration for the plight of blacks vis-a-vis the police/criminal justice system, so there's a chance he may have hired a legally astute, black issues-oriented person even if he hadn't seen the writing on the wall that said "blacklivesmatter#". But to think even saint Bernie doesn't make some decisions based on the electoral bottom line would just be stupid.
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