The Case For Biden

Don’t you think the Brits are doing well, despite UHC? (And, I disagree with your statement. A lot of people are compelled by curiosity and an innate sense of adventure. That creative spark would be revived in a lot of people who ceased to be beaten down by poverty, racism, and hopelessness.)

The British have had government supplied UHC since soon after WWII. It does indeed appear to remain popular. However those who can afford it opt for private care to avoid the rationing (often by shortage) of access to specialists and aggressive new therapies for diseases (of which there are many). If you want to have good health care statistics(i.e. life expectancy, etc.) and low cost, the easiest way to achieve it is by rationing or denying care to the sick and the old.

I prefer personal freedom to government managed programs of any type. The two don't exist together.

This is demonstrably false. Humans by nature are industrious for many reasons other than

1) There are lots of people who have hobbies like woodworking, gardening, and writing that they do because out of joy. I get paid for writing code... I still have a project I work on just because it interests me.

2) I have a career that pays me more than I need for a more than comfortable life. I continue to work for advancement. People work for the challenge, for the desire to excel. I would like to earn another university degree... there is no necessity to this and at my age it doesn't even make economic sense. I am still driven to to this, and I very well may.

There are exceptions to every rule, however they involve relatively few people.

To the degree that socialism fulfills its promised to provide equal economic outcomes for people, the creativity and productiveness of the economy suffers, usually ending up in generalized poverty - rather poor wages for the loss of freedom involved.

Consider the vanished local industries and services in Venezuela. The result of the Bolivarian revolution was poverty and tyranny for all. Achieving this in a country as blessed with abundant natural resources, agricultural lands and timber forests is no small feat.

The samizdat jole in the declining Soviet Union was. "We pretend to work, and they pretend to pay us".

I think you are confusing two completely different parts of human nature. But neither of them is really on topic. I believe in a regulated free market... but even in a free market, people do a lot of work (whether it be on their yard, or learning piano, or coaching sports teams) for free. I think that most people do things either out of love, or out of a desire to be a part of a community... if your kid's school has a bake sale, there were will parents working it for free.

I guess you realize and accept that what feels like personal freedom to you is the freedom to die from lack of medical attention for too many people.

No argument there. However, in most cases those doing this "free work", as you described it, are employed and take care of their own medical care.

Well, if they're over 65 they get Medicare and under that they can qualify for Medicaid. A young person can buy a good health plan for about $5,000/year: that's the cost of about four I phones.

Most ordinary people pay for their iPhone through their service, not all at once. Moreover, most people below your average income person, buys a prepaid phone or a cheaper phone; or has no phone at all except perhaps a landline. Bad example.

And most of them qualify for Medicaid.

For those with incomes above that level , $5,000/year ( ~ $420/month) isn't beyond reach, or the cost of many other things they buy.

I have a son who is a volunteer fireman, and a granddaughter who is a volunteer emt. Volunteer means they don't get paid for the work they do. Your outlook on life shows me that you haven't gotten out of your wealthy circle of friends and acquantes into real society. Not every one demands payment for work. In my small town we have many people who do things out of the goodness of their heart. Something most rich ultraconservatives don't understand.

I have to say that I developed the same opinion as Rabel about your insulation from a wide swath of people.

Only a handful of families in my school zone could afford $400. a month for insurance. These are oftentimes single parent families. I have more than a few parents working multiple jobs to keep kids fed and clothed with a roof over their heads and maybe transportation.

I think your ideas about what struggling people can afford and, I’m guessing, how they got in their condition are faulty. (iPhone reference was instructive)

I agree with the others, you are out of step with the cost of living on an average person's income relative to their home situations and expenses.

If you qualify for Medicaid, you are barely making it, if you do anything to barely improve your situation, they cut down your benefits making harder to build up your financial situation. If you make barely above the allowable income to qualify for Medicaid (trying your best), you can't afford to buy four I Phones all at once or else you won't have enough money for other things that comes up week by week, or monthly. Usually a person in such a situation will look around for cheaper alternatives. You can't do that with health care which is why comparing the two is just silly. It would be like saying buying a car. You can buy an old junker and tinker with it for years if you have the hands for it, but you can't shop around for cheaper health insurance unless you qualify for Medicaid and most working folks don't.

Saw Biden out sniffing little girls yesterday... Isn’t ‘enthusiasm gap’ a euphemism for: the media and their overlords are trying to manufacture consent by cramming someone you don’t want down your throats?

Isn’t the duopoly set up and maintained by the hounds of Hell for this explicit purpose?

Aren’t we too smart for this ******* ****?

That wasent Biden, it was Bernie. You need to get your glasses adjusted.

Check yours. Weirdly, after he says he’ll change his predatory habits and give women and girls their right to personal space, he continues to touch and sniff them without permission.

I’m beginning to think he’s a straight up pedo.

Give me a ******* break Lash. This is why people hate the left.

If you are going to support Bernie, support him for what he stands for. This bullshit attacking other Democratic candidate doesn't help any except for Trump.

Bernie isn't about throwing slime.

Please don’t mistake me for someone who cares about your opinion about Joe ******* Handsy Ass Liar Biden.

I’ll say what I goddamn well please. He’s a feely old perv who refuses to keep his hands off women and little girls.

Of course you can say whatever you want...

But if you want Bernie to win, you probably shouldn't act like an asshole whole supporting him. Beenie wants his campaign to be about ideas, not about juvenile name calling and slime.

It makes no difference how I act. His campaign IS about ideas and policy. He’s the only one who can be trusted to do the business of regular Americans.