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Passenger Plane Crashes in French Alps.

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 27 Mar, 2015 04:39 pm
@izzythepush,
You understand dont you that the authorities hope that this is a case of one defective person rather than an act planned by a terrorism organization, and that they are to be expected to spin the story that way for as long as they can absent any facts....right?

What a chump you are.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 27 Mar, 2015 05:24 pm
I know we know this already, but the headline gets me to thinking that whoever these doctors are who are monitoring pilots should be informing whomever sets up flight staffs... given tendencies, not only re pilots, but plenty of people in jobs with danger possible*, to hide such a notice.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-03-27/germanwings-co-pilot-was-unfit-to-work-on-day-of-crash


*now there's the rub, there might need to be criteria for that.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 27 Mar, 2015 06:14 pm
@ossobuco,
Quote:
I know we know this already, but the headline gets me to thinking that whoever these doctors are who are monitoring pilots should be informing whomever sets up flight staffs... given tendencies, not only re pilots, but plenty of people in jobs with danger possible*, to hide such a notice.

THere is a slippery slope right there, you know that every employer will claim a need to know everything that is in our medical records. I take a dim view of the growing list of mandatory reporting laws that our healthcare workers labor under for many reasons, and am not looking to add to them.
NSFW (view)
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 27 Mar, 2015 08:08 pm
Questions:

1) if a young man seeks treatment for depression we will assume that the treatment failed and 6 years later assume that he is depressed?

2) are depressed people normally mass murderers?

3)journalists search the history books and come up with possibly 3 times that mentally ill pilots became mass murderers(excluding terrorists), only 3....maybe, and our brains go "oh, that must be what this is,," REALLY?

There are a lot of holes in this storyline in need of plugging.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 27 Mar, 2015 08:27 pm
@hawkeye10,
Aren't they airline doctors? I don't know if they are or not.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 27 Mar, 2015 08:43 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
The co-pilot wasn't evil he was mentally ill
Where is the line between mentally ill and evil ?
Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 27 Mar, 2015 08:45 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
Might well be that they know more than the investigating prosecution and the doctors/hospital, who signed the sick leave.
You mean it might be more than what they are saying .
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Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 27 Mar, 2015 08:47 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
The fact that they have not found a suicide note yet is a big problem for your theory
No . A suicide note is a plea for help by those who dont want to suicide . Those who genuinely want to die leave no note .
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 28 Mar, 2015 04:34 am
@hawkeye10,
So because the facts don't fit your delusional predictions you're blaming a cover up by the authorities. It won't be long before you're blaming the rays from space for warping his mind. He didn't leave a suicide note, he didn't leave a martyrdom video either and that's more telling. Terrorists do like to crow.

Quote:
The Germanwings co-pilot thought to have deliberately crashed his Airbus in the French Alps, killing 150 people, predicted "one day everyone will know my name", his ex-girlfriend says.

In an interview with Germany's Bild newspaper, she recalled a comment Andreas Lubitz made last year.

"One day I'm going to do something that will change the whole system, and everyone will know my name and remember," he told her.

Flight 4U 9525 crashed on Tuesday.

The woman, a 26-year-old flight attendant who flew with Mr Lubitz for five months last year, was "very shocked" when she heard the news, the papers says.

If Mr Lubitz deliberately brought down the plane, "it is because he understood that because of his health problems, his big dream of a job at Lufthansa, as captain and as a long-haul pilot was practically impossible," she told Bild.

German prosecutors say they found medical documents at Mr Lubitz's house suggesting an existing illness and evidence of medical treatment. They found torn-up sick notes, one of them for the day of the crash.

They say he seems to have concealed his illness from his employers.

His former girlfriend told Bild they separated, "because it became increasingly clear that he had a problem".

She said he was plagued by nightmares and would at times wake up screaming "we're going down".

A hospital in the German city of Duesseldorf has confirmed Mr Lubitz was a patient there recently but it denied media reports that he had been treated for depression.

The theory that a mental illness such as depression had affected the co-pilot was suggested by German media, quoting internal aviation authority documents.

They said he had suffered a serious depressive episode while training in 2009.
He reportedly went on to receive treatment for a year-and-a-half and was recommended regular psychological assessment.

Mr Lubitz's employers insisted that he had only been allowed to resume training after his suitability was "re-established".


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32098578<br />

If you ever have the balls to admit you were wrong about something, it will mean you've finally finished adolescence.

farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 28 Mar, 2015 04:43 am
@izzythepush,
I don't know whether this has been brought up , but this adds some degree of rethinking regarding the whole "confidentiality of medical records" especially when these medical conditions can affect so many.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 28 Mar, 2015 04:55 am
Katsung is a Russian propaganda agent. Pay no attention to him.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 28 Mar, 2015 04:59 am
@farmerman,
I thought exactly the same while listening to the radio yesterday. There was a member of the body that represents pilots on the radio saying if someone had a sick note they should not fly. Maybe the law should change that if a doctor has serious doubts about a patient in a job like that, they should be able to share those doubts, if not with the employer then a third party with powers to ground them.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Sat 28 Mar, 2015 05:06 am
@farmerman,
Then they wont go to the Doctor . The Defence Force already has this problem, if a member thinks it will affect his career then he goes to a civilian doctor .
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 28 Mar, 2015 05:31 am
@Ionus,
Pilots have to have regular assessments by doctors to continue flying. The problem is that they might be able to fool the doctor by lying, but in this case the doctor wasn't fooled. He was a civilian doctor though.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 28 Mar, 2015 05:53 am
I don't know how it works in other countries, under different labour and health laws to ours.

But since it happened here that missing information doesn't matter, I think.

When you feel ill here, you go to a doctor's practise (any physician's or specialist's). If the doctor decides that you can't work with that illness, you get a "sick note". This note is called in German Arbeitsunfähigkeitsbescheinigung = "certificate of unfitness for work".

If you get one, you must report that immediately to your employer. The report itself must be at your employer's within a period of three days, latest.

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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 28 Mar, 2015 06:00 am
@izzythepush,
Pilots have to go regularly to Aeromedical Examiners, either working in private practice or employed by an airline.

As far as I know, this wasn't the case here.
Though there are 8 doctor practices doing certified aeromedical examinations in Düsseldorf, Düsseldorf University Hospital doesn't have such a department or such specialists. Besides that, he had been there in February and on March 15 for "diagnostic clarifications", which led to those "sick notes".
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 28 Mar, 2015 06:15 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Many airlines don't employ own company physicians but use one of the many local company physician centres. Especially in places with airports, some of those physicians are certified as aeromedical examiners as well.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Sat 28 Mar, 2015 06:36 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
Pilots have to have regular assessments by doctors to continue flying.
Yes, I am familiar with an aircrew medical, having had many myself and have nearly 1800 hrs up .

Quote:
The problem is that they might be able to fool the doctor by lying, but in this case the doctor wasn't fooled. He was a civilian doctor though.
No, the problem is a Doctor has no legal requirement to report any illness to his company . The list of reportable diseases have to be reported to the government health dept, it is illegal for a doctor to tell anyone else except essential staff . It is illegal for essential staff to tell anyone .
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 28 Mar, 2015 06:45 am
@Ionus,
Ionus wrote:
No, the problem is a Doctor has no legal requirement to report any illness to his company .
That might be so elsewhere but not here in Germany.
Here, physicians have no right at all to report any illness to the employer.
 

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