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Islam Can Not be Trusted wth Historical Treasure

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 28 Feb, 2015 01:27 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
The Koran speaks of the Ummah, which is all Muslims, so the evil is there just waiting.

http://i61.tinypic.com/261nvpt.jpg
الأمم المتحدة ("The United Ummahs")
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 28 Feb, 2015 01:31 pm
@coldjoint,
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Islam has taken hatred and killing and made it a pious obligation.


Nonsense a tiny tiny tiny percent of the billion Muslims had done so not Islam as Islam.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 28 Feb, 2015 01:33 pm
@coldjoint,
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And do you have a problem with killing every member of ISIS? Do you want to hire them instead?


No more then the KKK or a millions other tiny groups that claimed they are acting in Jesus/god name to justify the killings of others.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 28 Feb, 2015 01:44 pm
@BillRM,

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No more then the KKK or a millions other tiny groups that claimed they are acting in Jesus/god name to justify the killings of others.


How scared are you to admit things like the KKK are nothing compared to the 270million deaths jihad is responsible for? Your argument is meaningless when things like this happen.
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Islam's Latest Contributions to Peace "Mohammed is God's apostle. Those who follow him are harsh
to the unbelievers but merciful to one another" Quran 48:29

2015.02.27 (Nangarhar, Afghanistan) - Two children are disassembled by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.
2015.02.26 (Jos, Nigeria) - A dozen students are among seventeen innocents shredded by Islamist bombers at a bus station.
2015.02.26 (Zaourararm, Niger) - Two villagers on a horse-driven car are taken out by Boko Haram bombers.
2015.02.26 (Biu, Nigeria) - Nineteen people, including several women, are reduced to pulp by a suicide bomber at a market.
2015.02.26 (Cairo, Egypt) - A person bleeds to death outside a pizzeria following a Religion of Peace bomb blast.
2015.02.25 (Borno, Nigeria) - Over one hundred villagers are massacred by Boko Haram in attacks on three villages.

* Sources for individual incidents can be provided upon request.


And that doesn't even cover what ISIS is doing while the world comes up with excuses for murderers, of course, with your help.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 28 Feb, 2015 01:53 pm
@coldjoint,
Lot more Muslims are being killed by these assholes then Non- Muslims and yes they are evil and should be wiped from the face of the earth but that does not reflect on a billions Muslims or their faith.

coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 28 Feb, 2015 02:01 pm
@BillRM,
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Muslims or their faith.


The Koran reflects on their faith. If you can understand abrogation(explained in Islamic scripture) you can see exactly what their faith is.
It involves emulating Mohammed as the perfect man. Do you think Mohammed should be a role model for anyone?

ISIS is emulating Mohammed. He was terrorist, rapist, and murderer.

BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 28 Feb, 2015 02:03 pm
@coldjoint,
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like the KKK are nothing compared


Try telling that to the millions of blacks who needed to live in fear of them of for generations and who had have family members killed by torture all to often.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 28 Feb, 2015 02:05 pm
@coldjoint,
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He was terrorist, rapist, and murderer.


LOL as was Moses and others from the Christian bible.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 28 Feb, 2015 02:48 pm
Sorry the killers are a tiny tiny percent of the billions of Muslims an you can get almost any results of such polls depending on how you word the poll in question.

An the facts are that far more Muslims are being killed by such groups then non-Muslims.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 28 Feb, 2015 03:03 pm
@BillRM,
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An(d) the facts are that far more Muslims are being killed by such groups then non-Muslims.


And the facts are the Western world hasn't the spine or moral backbone to stop it. And people that defend the horror with excuses like you only prolong and increase the death count.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 28 Feb, 2015 04:44 pm
@coldjoint,
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And the facts are the Western world hasn't the spine or moral backbone to stop it. And people that defend the horror with excuses like you only prolong and increase the death count.


Sorry no one here that I had read had defend ISIS or such groups however almost all of us are not buying into your nonsense that we should condemn a billion Muslims and their religion due to the actions of such killers.

All the major religions have been misused at times in a similar manner that ISIS is now misusing Islam.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 28 Feb, 2015 08:19 pm
@BillRM,
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in a similar manner that ISIS is now misusing Islam.


How thick are you? ISIS is not using Islam in a similar way. Islam is exactly what they say it is. On the other hand Christian leaders are the ones who misused their religion.

Look at the Koran.

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The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.

Is that too hard to understand?
Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, the verses of violence in the Quran are mostly open-ended, meaning that they are not restrained by the historical context of the surrounding text. (Again easy to understand and prove)They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subjective as anything else in the Quran.

The context of violent passages is more ambiguous than might be expected of a perfect book from a loving God, however this can work both ways. Most of today's Muslims exercise a personal choice to interpret their holy book's call to arms according to their own moral preconceptions about justifiable violence. Apologists cater to their preferences with tenuous arguments that gloss over historical fact and generally do not stand up to scrutiny. Still, it is important to note that the problem is not bad people, but bad ideology.

Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to abrogate or even balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed. Muhammad's own martial legacy - and that of his companions - along with the remarkable stress on violence found in the Quran have produced a trail of blood and tears across world history.


http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 28 Feb, 2015 08:22 pm
@coldjoint,
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Look at the Koran.


LOL have you ever ever read the Christian Bible in your life?
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 28 Feb, 2015 08:26 pm
@BillRM,
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LOL have you ever ever read the Christian Bible in your life?


Have you? Islam stands on its own. Your excuses are irrational and cowardly.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 28 Feb, 2015 08:36 pm
@coldjoint,
Sorry but all the major religions have similar texts to the Koran, with special note of the Bible, that you are claiming proved that Islam is more blood thirst then other religions and that is complete nonsense on it face.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 28 Feb, 2015 08:43 pm
@BillRM,
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Sorry but all the major religions have similar texts to the Koran


One more time, how thick are you? What religion is doing the killing now?
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 28 Feb, 2015 09:32 pm
@coldjoint,
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One more time, how thick are you? What religion is doing the killing now?


Religion doing the killing??????????

Tiny numbers of killers are killing in the name of Islam does not mean that the religion is doing any killings!!!!!!!

Any more then Christianity did the killings in the jungle of Guyana at Jonestown.

Your attempts to generated hate against one religion lack even a weak element of logic.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 28 Feb, 2015 09:36 pm
@BillRM,
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Religion doing the killing


Religion is inspiring and condoning it. Your argument is the weak one.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index_files/TROP.jpg
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 28 Feb, 2015 09:42 pm
@coldjoint,
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Religion is inspiring and condoning it


Bullshits any more the Christianity is supporting and condoning killings of homosexuals even those some so call Christians had indeed killed homosexuals being supported by text in the Bible.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 28 Feb, 2015 09:42 pm
@coldjoint,
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Religion is inspiring and condoning it. Your argument is the weak one.

The argument that the Koran does not promote violence goes nowhere, because when Islam's leaders promote killing in the religions houses of worship then Islam is promoting killing.
 

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