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Islam Can Not be Trusted wth Historical Treasure

 
 
farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 26 Feb, 2015 07:15 pm
@raprap,
the Nestorians were in cahoots
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 26 Feb, 2015 11:19 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
Why can't he be both? Give it a rest Wally .
Of course he can. But he isn't - according to the biography on his website.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 27 Feb, 2015 12:01 am
http://thedailywh.at/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/022615isismuseum.jpg
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 27 Feb, 2015 12:04 am
@hawkeye10,
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However, AL RAI’s chief international correspondent Elijah J. Magnier told The Independent that a Mosul library official believes as many as 112, 709 manuscripts and books, some of which were registered on a UNESCO rarities list, are among those lost.

Mosul Public Library’s director Ghanim al-Ta’an said Isis militants then demolished the building using explosive devices.

“People tried to prevent the terrorist group elements from burning the library, but failed,” a local source told IraqiNews.com.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-burns-thousands-of-rare-books-and-manuscripts-from-mosuls-libraries-10068408.html
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 27 Feb, 2015 12:08 am
@hawkeye10,
I am happy you all are having a good time but your ignoring the topic that I presented is a disgrace. Where the **** are your priorities ... how do you get to devoting your energy to arguing some minutia of history rather than talking about all of the cultural stuff of the mideast has been lost over the last decade? What is going on in the MidEast is here and now, we might actually be able to do something about it. Right? Not worth talking about??
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 27 Feb, 2015 12:11 am
@hawkeye10,
I had hear that the destruction is only a small percent of the collections as most of the rare materials is being sold not sludge hammer and or burn.

At least we can hope that is the case.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 27 Feb, 2015 12:27 am
That's more than sad and similar to what the Taliban did years ago.

You find (found?) that in Christianity as well - fortunately, those "reformers" didn't have tools like today. Iconoclasm destroyed marvellous (religious) art e.g. in England after in the aftermath of the dissolution of the monasteries in 1539.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Fri 27 Feb, 2015 04:53 pm
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Did Islam Destroy the Classical Civilization?


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As early as the 1920s Belgian medievalist Henri Pirenne located the proverbial smoking gun. But it was not in the hands of the Goths or Vandals, or the Christian Church: it was in the hands of those people whom it had, even then, become fashionable to credit with saving Western Civilization: the Arabs. The evidence, as Pirenne was at pains to show in his posthumously published Mohammed and Charlemagne (1938) was incontrovertible. From the mid-seventh century the Mediterranean had been blockaded by the Arabs. Trade with the great centers of population and culture in the Levant, a trade which had been the mainstay of Western Europe’s prosperity, was terminated. The flow of all the luxury items which Pirenne found in the records of the Spanish Visigoths and the Merovingians of Gaul, came to an abrupt end, as Arab pirates scoured the seas. The flow of gold to the West dried up. Gold coinage disappeared, and the great cities of Italy, Gaul and Spain, especially the ports, which owed their wealth to the Mediterranean trade, became mere ghost towns. Worst of all, perhaps, from the perspective of culture and learning, the importation of papyrus from Egypt ceased. This material, which had been shipped into Western Europe in vast quantities since the time of the Roman Republic, was absolutely essential for a thousand purposes in a literate and mercantile civilization; and the ending of the supply had an immediate and catastrophic effect on levels of literacy. These dropped, almost overnight, to levels perhaps equivalent to those in pre-Roman times.

Pirenne stressed that the arrival of Islam effectively isolated Europe both intellectually and economically. And with this economic paralysis came war: the Muslim conquests were to unleash a torrent of violence against Europe. As a direct result of the Arab advance, by the seventh and eighth centuries, Christendom, the area within which Christianity was the dominant religion, diminished almost to vanishing-point. This catastrophic loss of territory – everything from northern Syria to the Pyrenees – took place in a space of two or three generations. In Western Europe there remained only a nucleus of Christian territory, comprising France, Western Germany, the Upper Danube and Italy (as well as Ireland and parts of Britain); and these regions felt themselves threatened also with imminent extinction: For the surviving Christian territories were besieged and under sustained attack from the north and east, as well as the south. As the Arabs sent army after army to plunder, destroy and occupy, they encouraged and, in some ways directed, further attacks on the core areas of Europe from other directions. Thus even the Viking onslaught, which devastated huge areas of the British Isles, France and northern Germany, was elicited by the Muslim demand for slaves. The latter is a fact not yet widely known, though well-accepted by professional historians: the Vikings, essentially, were piratical slave-traders, and their notorious expeditions across the seas to the west and along the great rivers of Russia to the east were elicited first and foremost by the Muslim demand for white-skinned concubines and eunuchs. Without Islam, there would almost certainly have been no Vikings. As it was, this trading-alliance between the barbarians of the North and the Muslims of Spain and North Africa was to bring Christian Europe to the brink of collapse.


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John J. O’Neill’s is the author of upcoming book, Holy Warriors: Islam and the Demise of Classical Civilization (Felibri, August 2009).


http://www.islam-watch.org/iw-new/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=87:did-islam-destroy-the-classical-civilization&catid=90:book&Itemid=58

coldjoint
 
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Reply Fri 27 Feb, 2015 05:00 pm
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How many civilizations has Islam destroyed to date?


Absolutely no reason to think Wally knows more than this guy.
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Civilizations destroyed by Islam;

CIVILIZATIONS IN THE ARABIAN PENINSULA:
Lakhmid Kingdom, Humyarite Kingdom, Hadramaut Civilization, Hejaz Civilization, Heira Kingdom Yemenese Civilization, Nabatian Kingdom.

AFRICAN CIVILIZATIONS:
Carthaginian Empire (Tunis), Egyptian Empire, Siranaeek Kingdom (Libya), Nubian Kingdom (Sudan)

ASIAN CIVILIZATIONS:
Anatolia (Turkey), Phoenician Civilization, Sham Civilization ( Syria and surrounding)


http://www.quora.com/How-many-civilizations-has-Islam-destroyed-to-date
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 27 Feb, 2015 09:59 pm
@coldjoint,
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Gold coinage disappeared,


**** gold coinage and other coinage for that matter become in very short supply in Europe due to vikings and the tributes that was being pay to them.

As far as Muslims being slave traders so what? That was common of all cultures at the time and when Europe got back on it feet it outdid all past cultures in regards to gathering and moving slaves around the world.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Fri 27 Feb, 2015 10:04 pm
@BillRM,
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due to vikings


Does this say the" Vikings contribution to peace?"
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Islam's Latest Contributions to Peace "Mohammed is God's apostle. Those who follow him are harsh
to the unbelievers but merciful to one another" Quran 48:29

2015.02.27 (Nangarhar, Afghanistan) - Two children are disassembled by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.
2015.02.26 (Jos, Nigeria) - A dozen students are among thirteen innocents shredded by Islamist bombers at a bus station.
2015.02.26 (Zaourararm, Niger) - Two villagers on a horse-driven car are taken out by Boko Haram bombers.
2015.02.26 (Biu, Nigeria) - Nineteen people, including several women, are reduced to pulp by a suicide bomber at a market.
2015.02.26 (Cairo, Egypt) - A person bleeds to death outside a pizzeria following a Religion of Peace bomb blast.
2015.02.24 (Logar, Afghanistan) - Four Taliban suicide bombers slaughter twenty local police officers.

* Sources for individual incidents can be provided upon request.


http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 27 Feb, 2015 10:54 pm
@coldjoint,
Islam was not a destroyer but just a culture who filled power vacuums with special note of when the Byzantine empire and the Sasanian Empire pounded each other for 20 years to the point that they both was greatly weaken and that allowed the Arabs Muslims conquest of Egypt and Syria.

History is never repeat never as simple as people like you who are trying to do a re-write of that history would like to picture it.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 28 Feb, 2015 12:17 am
@coldjoint,
The Pirenne-thesis. It is interesting that this debate comes back after 90 years. Marc Bloch (Annales School) had different ideas - when will they be re-publishedß
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 28 Feb, 2015 11:52 am
@BillRM,
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people like you who are trying to do a re-write of that history would like to picture it.


People like me have changed nothing. Revisionist history is what you believe.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 28 Feb, 2015 12:04 pm
@coldjoint,
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People like me have changed nothing. Revisionist history is what you believe.


LOL as this version of history had been the standard one from before the founding of the US to date calling it the same as your revisionist history that you are trying to sell is amusing.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 28 Feb, 2015 12:07 pm
@BillRM,
Denial Bill, that is your problem.

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Muslim History Lesson: WE, THE STUPID

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The war started in the 7th century and lasted through the 17th.

I would contend it never stopped but historically the facts below are correct.

This is why I choke when I hear someone say we will defeat or contain these Islamic terrorists in a few years or even 30 years as recently stated by Leon Panetta.

If the latest batch of murders, beheadings, and killing of innocent Christians has shocked you, maybe you should read this compilation of historical facts about the hatred of Muslims.

WE, THE STUPID

This is all factually (and historically) correct - and verifiable:

In 732 AD the Muslim Army which was moving on Paris was defeated and turned back at Tours, France, by Charles Martell. In 1571 AD the Muslim Army/ Navy was defeated by the Italians and Austrians as they tried to cross the Mediterranean to attack southern Europe in the Battle of Lapanto.

In 1683 AD the Turkish Muslim Army, attacking Eastern Europe, was finally defeated in
the Battle of Vienna by German and Polish Christian Armies.

...this crap has been going on for 1,400 years and half of the politicians don't even know it.

If these battles had not been won we might be speaking Arabic and Christianity could be non-existent; Judaism certainly would be...

And let us not forget that Hitler was an admirer of Islam and that the Mufti of Jerusalem was Hitler's guest in Berlin and raised Bosnian Muslim SS Divisions: the 13th and 21st Waffen SS Divisions who killed Jews, Russians, Gypsies, and any other "subhumans".

Reflecting:

A lot of Americans have become so insulated from reality that they imagine that America can suffer defeat without any inconvenience to themselves.

Pause a moment, reflect back. These events are actual events from history. They really happened! Do you remember?

1. In 1968, Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by a Muslim male.
2. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by Muslim males.
3. In 1972 a Pan Am 747 was hijacked and eventually diverted to Cairo where a fuse was
lit on final approach. It was blown up shortly after landing by Muslim males.
4. In 1973 a Pan Am 707 was destroyed in Rome, with 33 people killed, when it was attacked with grenades by Muslim males.
5. In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by Muslim males.
6. During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by Muslim males.
7. In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by Muslim males.
8. In 1985, the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by Muslim males.
9. In 1985, TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a US Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by Muslim males.
10. In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by Muslim males.
11. In 1993, the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by Muslim males.
12. In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by Muslim males.
13. On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles to take down the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed into the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and crashed by the passengers. Thousands of people were killed by Muslim males.
14. In 2002, the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against Muslim males.
15. In 2002, reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and beheaded by---you guessed it was a Muslim male. (Plus two other American journalists were just beheaded)
16. In 2013, Boston Marathon Bombing 4 Innocent people including a child killed, 264 injured by Muslim males.

No, I really don't see a pattern here to justify profiling, do you?

So, to ensure we Americans never offend anyone, particularly fanatics intent on killing us, airport security screeners will no longer be allowed to profile certain people.

So, ask yourself "Just how stupid are we?"

Absolutely No Profiling!

They must conduct random searches of 80-year-old women, little kids, airline pilots with proper identification, secret agents who are members of the President's security detail, 85-year old, Congressmen with metal hips, and Medal of Honor winner and former Governor Joe Foss.

But leave Muslim males alone, lest they be guilty of profiling.

Ask yourself "Just how stupid are we?"

Have the American people completely lost their minds or just their power of reason?

As the writer of the award winning story 'Forrest Gump' so aptly put it, 'Stupid Is As Stupid Does'.

- See more at: http://politicsandfinance.blogspot.com/2015/02/muslim-history-lesson-we-stupid.html#sthash.NRDc1vuR.dpuf
Read more at http://politicsandfinance.blogspot.com/2015/02/muslim-history-lesson-we-stupid.html#Jv0wLGvOoiUsM1rJ.99
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 28 Feb, 2015 12:18 pm
@coldjoint,
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maybe you should read this compilation of historical facts about the hatred of Muslims.


LOL hatred of Muslims.........Bullshit no more then the actions of some Christians in the name of their faith throughout history is the actions of Christians as a whole.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 28 Feb, 2015 12:26 pm
@BillRM,

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LOL hatred of Muslims.


You are an idiot. I am aware of Islam. The hate comes from them. And the idiotic excuses of the Christian past are for women.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 28 Feb, 2015 12:42 pm
@coldjoint,
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You are an idiot. I am aware of Islam. The hate comes from them. And the idiotic excuses of the Christian past are for women.


LOL try selling such nonsense to say Jews who was a target of good Christians in the name of their faith for a thousand years with one pogrom after another.

Programs that was still happening in the life times of many still living to this day.

Oh we are not just talking about the holocaust in Germany as there was killings of Jews in the UK in 1904!!!!!!

Hatred and killings of others is hardly a Muslim thing it is instead sadly a human thing.

Your attempts to paint a billion Muslims as evil and killers is just another example of such nonsense.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 28 Feb, 2015 01:20 pm
@BillRM,
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Hatred and killings of others is hardly a Muslim thing it is instead sadly a human thing.


Islam has taken hatred and killing and made it a pious obligation.
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Allah only forbids you respecting those who made war upon you on account of (your) religion [no fraternizing with the enemy]... 60:009


http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Themes/jihad_passages.html#Fulltext
So much for negotiation.

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Your attempts to paint a billion Muslims as evil and killers is just another example of such nonsense.


They are not my attempts. The Koran speaks of the Ummah, which is all Muslims, so the evil is there just waiting. Either in fighting, deceiving, or support through charities that the Koran stipulates are for jihad.

And do you have a problem with killing every member of ISIS? Do you want to hire them instead?
 

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