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Is 'colored people' offensive?

 
 
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Thu 19 Feb, 2015 06:31 am
@izzythepush,
I tried to point that out to layman. Communists and socialists aren't the same nor the same as Marxists. That China has a state capitalism system.

But then again, this is a guy who quotes a fictional character and eulogizes a mean drunken demagogue. And Bob Hope and Ronald Reagan thought "Born in the USA" was a song supporting conservative causes.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Thu 19 Feb, 2015 06:34 am
@layman,
Proving what? You're just as izzy described your ilk.

What's your beef with fruit juice drinkers?
layman
 
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Reply Thu 19 Feb, 2015 06:45 am
@bobsal u1553115,
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What's your beef with fruit juice drinkers?


Ask George Orwell, eh? Rather self-evident, though, isn't it?
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Thu 19 Feb, 2015 06:54 am
@layman,
Only if I wore a foil hat like you!
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 19 Feb, 2015 06:56 am
@bobsal u1553115,
The fictional character in question is a dangerous maniac. Only a lunatic would believe water fluoridation was a Soviet plot, which was the point. We're in danger of letting an ideological idiot lead us into Armageddon, Bush tried to do it.

A far more pertinent novel would be Well's The Time Machine, we already have an effete, feckless aristocracy, like the Eloi and an unwashed lumpen, lickspittle, Tea Party proletariat like the Morlocks. And these differences only look to get bigger and more extreme.

What we do not have, despite right wing propaganda saying otherwise, is a meritocracy. The aristocracy definitely does not want that, because it would mean a loss of privilege
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layman
 
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Reply Thu 19 Feb, 2015 09:36 pm
@izzythepush,
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Orwell's criticism of Stalin's Russia wasn't that it was worse than capitalism, but that it was exactly the same


That's something some posters here should keep in mind. People are people, like it or not. Collectivist ideologies are NOT going to change man's individualistic nature. But, dream on, ya know?

POWER TO THE PEOPLE!! (Translation: Power to Layman).
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 19 Feb, 2015 09:45 pm
@layman,
Quote:
That's something some posters here should keep in mind. People are people, like it or not.

That is my main problem with the feminists, that they are hell bent on turning humans into their fantasy of what humans should be.
layman
 
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Reply Thu 19 Feb, 2015 09:54 pm
@hawkeye10,
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That is my main problem with the feminists, that they are hell bent on turning humans into their fantasy of what humans should be


True that, at least if you're talking "radical" feminists. But, of course, the same is true of all fanatics, whatever their "special interest" happens to be.

The implicit underlying message is always: You must be like me. My values should be adopted by all. I am the standard for "truth."

Quite arrogant, actually.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 19 Feb, 2015 10:00 pm
@layman,
The men here mostly talk about radical feminists, which you expect us non rads to agree with so you can keep bellowing.

I don't know your take on that, layman.
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layman
 
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Reply Thu 19 Feb, 2015 10:04 pm
@hawkeye10,
Kinda like total abstainers, eh?

“ABSTAINER, n. A weak person who yields to the temptation of denying himself a pleasure. A total abstainer is one who abstains from everything but abstention, and especially from inactivity in the affairs of others.” (Ambrose Bierce)
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layman
 
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Reply Fri 20 Feb, 2015 01:58 am
@ossobuco,
Quote:
The men here mostly talk about radical feminists, which you expect us non rads to agree with so you can keep bellowing.

I don't know your take on that, layman.


Not sure if that's a question, Osso, but I guess I'll take it as one. Personally, I don't talk about feminists of any stripe in this forum, and I am unfamiliar with what others say on the topic (apart from what I just heard Hawkeye say).

In general, I don't expect non-radicals (on any topic) to agree with radicals on the same topic. But, that said, I do think, in terms of "minority" groups especially, non-radicals sometimes feel somehow obligated to present a more "radical" viewpoint than they may actually adhere to. Something along the lines of "peer-pressure," I guess.

Black men (or women) are often accused of not being "black" enough, sometimes even called "Uncle Toms," if they don't adopt the views most prevalent amongst their peers.

Same with gays, I think, who, it seems, sometimes feel obligated to agree (more or less) with the views of "militant gay activists" lest they be accused of not being "truly gay."

So, even though I don't personally "expect" such a reaction from "non-radicals," I have seen it, I think. I find it especially refreshing to encounter a black, a gay, a feminist, etc. who are not ashamed to express their "non-radical" views.

The more radical they come, the less credibility they have, with me, at least.
layman
 
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Reply Fri 20 Feb, 2015 02:36 am
@layman,
The more one tends to identify himself with a "group," especially a group that is defined by it's "beliefs" (atheist, theist, Darwinist, feminist, communist, republican, whatever), the less I expect him to have much independent thought of his own.

Thomas Jefferson once said:

Quote:
“I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever, in religion, in philosophy, in politics or in anything else. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to Heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all.”


Amen, Tommy.
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glitterbag
 
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Reply Fri 20 Feb, 2015 11:33 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Quote:
Tail gunner Joe was just doin what hadta be done, cancha see?

I would not go that far, but she tried to pass off his work as the delusions of an alcoholic. And believe it or not she actually expects to be taken seriously, and she will claim than any objection to this is so idiotic that she will not lower herself to discuss the matter. Glitter is an elitist through and through.


I understand this is supposed to be blistering criticism, but I am thrilled you noted the true distinction between me and morons like you. If there is a hell, and I'm unfortunate enough to be sent there, I imagine I would be chained to a repulsive dip **** like you for eternity as punishment. Listening to you blather on in a pretentious and vulgar fashion is my idea of torture.
layman
 
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Reply Fri 20 Feb, 2015 11:44 pm
@glitterbag,
Quote:
Listening to you blather on in a pretentious and vulgar fashion...dip ****...moron


glitterbag
 
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Reply Fri 20 Feb, 2015 11:52 pm
@layman,
Felling left out? Sorry for the oversight, the same goes to you and the horse you rode in on.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sat 21 Feb, 2015 05:52 am
@glitterbag,
He's letting you know he's a dipshit and a moron. There's a train leaving at midnight, I hope he's under it.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Sat 21 Feb, 2015 11:28 am
@bobsal u1553115,
You made me laugh out loud Very Happy
 

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