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Is 'colored people' offensive?

 
 
layman
 
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Reply Wed 18 Feb, 2015 08:51 am
@wmwcjr,
I agree with the substance of your post, wm. But, especially from one who makes such an insightful post, I was a little surprised to see this:

Quote:
Are you saying that everyone on the left is either a Marxist or a Communist? Sorry to disillusion you, but that's absurd. That's as dumb as saying that every white conservative is a racist.


First you purport to ask me a question (not even one which was legitimately raised by anything I said). Then you answer it for me (by "disillusioning" me). Then you call me dumb for giving "my" answer which you say is "absurd."

What's up with that?
layman
 
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Reply Wed 18 Feb, 2015 09:17 am
@wmwcjr,
Here's another brief (2-3 minutes) clip with Jason Whitlock, who says the way the Imus affair was handled is "exactly the opposite" of the way Dr. M. L. King would have wanted. He flatly says "we are not victims." To suggest otherwise implicitly concedes way to much (non-existent) power to "insignificant" people like Imus, he says. He believes blacks can, and should, concentrate more on directing their own fate.

Agree with him, or not, I think he makes it clear that "black people" are not some monolithic block that all "feel the same way," as many here seem to presuppose. As I said earlier, whites who presume to talk for "all blacks" seem especially pretentious. Whitlock is truly interested in progress and substance, not preaching and self-pity.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PP-ucZqu1U
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 18 Feb, 2015 10:16 am
@layman,
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It must feel great to be as clever as you are, eh, Bob?


It is. I'd feel bad if I were only as clever as you.

Marcuse was an academic who taught philosophy from a Marxist stand point. He was in his late seventies in the '70s. He supported the Black Panthers, among other liberation movements. I don't get Marxism, but I do appreciate Marcuse. Probably because I took the time to read him. Another thing I know about Marcuse and Marxism: the only people who are talking about them are people like you who don't know anything about them. And that neither Marcuse or Marxism have much relevance today past the academic.

So you know of Marcuse and Marxism, you don't know much about them.

Marcuse was a 'left' Hegelian. I am a 'right' Hegelian.

Go look it up for your usual superficial understanding of what anything means.
layman
 
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Reply Wed 18 Feb, 2015 10:40 am
@bobsal u1553115,
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And that neither Marcuse or Marxism have much relevance today past the academic.


Do tell. The communist party happens to run (among others) one of the largest countries in the world, China, doing "today" one of the things they have always done best, i.e., dictating the thoughts which it's subjects may adhere to without punishment.

Quote:
Jonathan Kaiman in Beijing, Monday 2 February 2015 09.57 EST

Communist party bans believers in province of ‘China’s Jerusalem’

“Party members are banned from joining religions. Believing in communism and atheism is a basic requirement to become a party member,” Li Yunlong, a professor at the Party School of the Communist party of China central committee, told the newspaper...

Government-backed demolition crews forced hundreds of churches to remove prominently placed crosses, despite elaborate protests and sit-ins by congregants. Some of the buildings were branded “illegal structures” and demolished entirely..

The newspaper added that party members in the province would be subjected to a Marxist education campaign and “need to submit a written promise rejecting religion beliefs”.


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/02/chinese-communist-party-officials-crack-down-believers

On second thought, don't tell. You obviously have little knowledge or awareness concerning the topic and it is strictly a side issue with respect to this particular thread, anyway.
wmwcjr
 
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Reply Wed 18 Feb, 2015 12:03 pm
@layman,
Perhaps I exaggerated a bit, but you seemed to be saying that garden variety liberals were heavily influenced by Marxism. Indeed, during the 1960s, the John Birch Society claimed that the civil rights movement was not a protest against pervasive, institutionalized injustice, but was a Communist conspiracy -- an utterly vile accusation akin to falsely accusing someone of being a pedophile. I knew differently simply because of what I observed as I was growing up in Texas.

I never implied you were dumb. Not at all. I'm sorry if you got that impression. There have been many brilliant people who have believed something that was absurd. For example, there have even been decent individuals who supported totalitarian movements.

Incidentally, I am not a "leading" member here. I'm really just an outsider who spends too much time at this website. Welcome, anyway (for whatever it's worth).
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wmwcjr
 
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Reply Wed 18 Feb, 2015 12:15 pm
@layman,
From Martin Luther King Jr. and Roy Wilkins (who was the head of the NAACP during the civil rights era) to Al Sharpton, we have come a long way -- down, morally speaking. Wilkins would have publicly condemned the looters at Ferguson just as he condemned the looters of his day. Incidentally, some of the Ferguson shop owners whose stores were sacked by looters are black.

But on the other hand, Clarence Thomas is not exactly my cup of tea, to put it very mildly.

But that's just my opinion, which is worth nothing. Sorry, I gotta go now. Time is short, and I'm not well. I've got business to attend regarding my survival that has nothing to do with politics. Best regards to all.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 18 Feb, 2015 05:13 pm
@layman,
So you conflate Communism with Marxism. How cute. Which bearded German came up with the "Two systems, one party" concept, I forget.

Chinese Communism is Marxism. Pretty funny actually. A hint for you: look up 'state capitalism'.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 18 Feb, 2015 05:49 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Socialism was around long before Marx.

Quote:
Early socialist philosophers and political theorists:
1.Gerrard Winstanley, who founded the Diggers movement in the United Kingdom
2.Charles Fourier, French philosopher who propounded principles very similar to Karl Marx
3.Louis Blanqui, French socialist and writer
4.Marcus Thrane, Norwegian socialist [1]
5.Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Genevan philosopher, writer, and composer whose works influenced the French Revolution
6.Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, French politician writer.

Ricardian socialist economists:
1.Thomas Hodgskin, English Ricardian socialist and free-market anarchist
2.Charles Hall
3.John Francis Bray
4.John Gray
5.William Thompson
6.Percy Ravenstone
7.Werner Sombart, German economist and sociologist of the Historical school of economics
8.James Mill
9.John Stuart Mill, classical political economist who came to advocate worker-cooperative socialism

Utopian socialist thinkers:
1.Claude Henri de Saint-Simon
2.Wilhelm Weitling
3.Robert Owen
4.Edward Bellamy
5.Charles Fourier
6.Étienne Cabet


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Marx_socialists

You can add Jesus Christ and Thomas Paine to that list.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 18 Feb, 2015 06:19 pm
@izzythepush,
But izzy, commies is marxisists and they all are socialamistists, too! Ask layman! He read allllllllllll about Marcuse in Wiki!
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FBM
 
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Reply Wed 18 Feb, 2015 07:02 pm
I just posted this elsewhere, but it seems to fit here, too:

http://i1330.photobucket.com/albums/w561/hapkido1996/10917270_550892071728661_1851196022407112464_n_zpsdf86c097.png
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Wed 18 Feb, 2015 07:15 pm
@FBM,
I reposted that on my FB site. Hope you don't mind.
FBM
 
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Reply Wed 18 Feb, 2015 07:16 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
Not at all. That's where I stole it. Wink
glitterbag
 
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Reply Wed 18 Feb, 2015 11:54 pm
@layman,
layman wrote:

A dictator dictates. He doesn't respond to questions. He doesn't try to persuade. He doesn't try to "reason" with his subject. He dictates, that's it. And if immediate compliance is not forthcoming, you suffer the consequences.

Those who feel compelled to dictate how others should, must, and do evaluate things are no different than any other totalitarian dictator.

That's the whole idea behind "political correctness," a practice developed by the communist party in the 1920's and revived in this country among radicals in the 1960's, led by Herbert Marcuse, the so-called "father of the new left."

He wrote a treatise called "repressive tolerance" which was very influential among it's intended audience

It essence, the theme was that the values and goals of the left had to be perpetuated by repressing all views seen as opposing those goals/values. Those views had to be "repressed" and NOT tolerated.

The whole modus operandi is nothing new, I'm afraid.

My way, or the highway, pal.





Wow, you think history started in the 60's??? Have you ever heard of Joe McCarthy. I guess not. I'll leave you in pathetic ignorance because I don't even get physic income by educating people like you. He was disgraced in Congress, and died later of complications of Alcoholism. His leanings were influenced by his copious amounts of booze and sycophants.

Please educate yourself, when you say stupid things to people who lived thru those eras, or the scholars who have studied these issues you appear to be a man with a big red nose and clown shoes. Enjoy your country exhibitions, dumb ****.
layman
 
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Reply Thu 19 Feb, 2015 12:00 am
@glitterbag,
Glitter, are you now, or have you ever been, a member of the communist party?

Do you know, or have you ever known, a person who was a member of the communist party?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Pour me another glass of vodka there, willya, Bobby?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 19 Feb, 2015 12:27 am
@layman,
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Glitter, are you now, or have you ever been, a member of the communist party?

said as if the cogs of the NSA admit such things......much like asking mid ranking NAZI Party members which boys they were *******.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 19 Feb, 2015 12:33 am
@glitterbag,
Quote:
Wow, you think history started in the 60's??? Have you ever heard of Joe McCarthy. I guess not. I'll leave you in pathetic ignorance because I don't even get physic income by educating people like you. He was disgraced in Congress, and died later of complications of Alcoholism. His leanings were influenced by his copious amounts of booze and sycophants.

Please educate yourself, when you say stupid things to people who lived thru those eras, or the scholars who have studied these issues you appear to be a man with a big red nose and clown shoes. Enjoy your country exhibitions, dumb ****.

The Russian and the Chinese empires both fell within 20 years of each other, McCarthy had legit concerns.
layman
 
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Reply Thu 19 Feb, 2015 12:46 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
McCarthy had legit concerns.


Every hear of Tricky Dick and the Pumpkin Papers, Glitter?

Algier Hiss, maybe?

The Rosenbergs?

Tail gunner Joe was just doin what hadta be done, cancha see?

Marcuse wasn't the first commie trying to promote revolution from within our own honored institutions, like Harvard. He wasn't the last, either
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 19 Feb, 2015 12:51 am
@layman,
Quote:
Tail gunner Joe was just doin what hadta be done, cancha see?

I would not go that far, but she tried to pass off his work as the delusions of an alcoholic. And believe it or not she actually expects to be taken seriously, and she will claim than any objection to this is so idiotic that she will not lower herself to discuss the matter. Glitter is an elitist through and through.
layman
 
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Reply Thu 19 Feb, 2015 01:00 am
@hawkeye10,
"I am not going to sit back an allow communist infiltration, communist indoctrination, communist subversion and the international communist conspiracy to sap my precious bodily fluids." (General Jack D. Ripper, American Patriot, circa 1963).

Not long ago, some University, I've forgotten which, forced two college students to take down the American flag which they were flying from their dorm room window because it "offended muslim students." Where's General Ripper when you need him, eh?

Kolyo
 
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Reply Thu 19 Feb, 2015 03:14 am
@layman,
layman wrote:

Quote:
Marx argued against the exploitation of labor; Marcuse, against labor itself. Don't work, have sex. This was the simple message of Eros and Civilization, released in 1955. Its ideas proved to be extraordinarily popular among the fledgling hippie culture of the following decade. It provided a rationale for laziness and transformed degrading personal vices into virtues


6 years ago I quit my job so I could have sex 24/7. Best advice I ever got. Thanks, Herbert!


I have not read Marcuse, but if he believed in having sex 24/7, then he needed to be reading less Marx and more from the "bourgeois" economists. One concept in particular he needs to learn about is "diminishing marginal utility".
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