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WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THIS....NOW!

 
 
One Eyed Mind
 
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Reply Thu 1 Jan, 2015 06:27 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
That's probably the exact words which crossed the 2 year old's mind.
engineer
 
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Reply Thu 1 Jan, 2015 06:37 pm
@hawkeye10,
So why do we need to talk about this now? We said we were going to talk about it after Sandy Hook. The result was looser gun laws and the NRA pushing for arming teachers. In the year after Sandy Hook, 72 children were killed by other children and 52 of those deaths were due to guns being left unsecured. Why is this death any different? In 2013, three Americans were killed by terrorists (Boston) so deaths of children from unsecured guns is over an order of magnitude higher. How much did we spend on preventing those gun deaths compared to how much we spend on anti-terror. We all like to vote oralloy down but we all know deep down that he is right. A minority of a plurality has driven us to self destructive behavior and is keeping the gun pointed at our heads.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 1 Jan, 2015 06:42 pm
@ehBeth,
Quote:
planning to buy one for the toddlers in your family?


That comment is about what I would expect from you however it is indeed unusual to have a trigger pull that is set so low that a two years old could pull it.
CalamityJane
 
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Reply Thu 1 Jan, 2015 07:20 pm
@engineer,
That's the scary part - people like oralloy do carry guns and probably 24/7 to show everyone what freedom is. We can't do anything to change their minds, it's pearls before swines.
We simply have to vote for people who are for gun control, get those tea baggers out of office and back to the woods.
One Eyed Mind
 
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Reply Thu 1 Jan, 2015 07:28 pm
@CalamityJane,
There's 8,000,000,000 people in the world right now.

People die to a hundred more things more commonly than to guns.

Therefore fear and delusion is not a sure fire way to encourage tyranny.

It's a slippery slope, really. First the people want gun control, when what we really need is to improve people's mentality, instead of convincing them watching the news and getting involved with politics is at all healthy for them - school systems - how we see the world - how we treat others outside of our society - how we treat ourselves - how we react and how much we're willing to sacrifice of our desire to create a better future for ourselves that isn't involving cubicles, assembly lines and left-brain systems. Then when the squeaky wheel gets the oil, people will start desensitizing themselves to that level of control in guns, end up crying more about guns with more fear and delusion instead of realistic intentions, to the point people will keep on eating away at their freedom until everyone wonders why suddenly there's a tyrant in power to cause yet another genocide down the road... for the thousandth time... Perhaps it's because people don't know how to change instead of not wanting to change.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 1 Jan, 2015 07:44 pm
@CalamityJane,
Quote:
That's the scary part - people like oralloy do carry guns and probably 24/7 to show everyone what freedom is. We can't do anything to change their minds, it's pearls before swines.


An why do you think that guns are anymore dangerous then say cars that killed thirty thousands plus every year?

Lot of things need to be treated with respect it you do not wish them to turn and bite your in the ass.

Let see whole families had been wiped out by not using an electric generator incorrectly by way of Carbon monoxide poisoning.

That is why I have two Carbon monoxide detectors along with my generators.

Instead of somehow allowing her young son to shoot her she could have found one hell of a lot more common ways to killed herself by being careless and we would never had hear of it happening.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 1 Jan, 2015 07:46 pm
@BillRM,
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An why do you think that guns are anymore dangerous then say cars that killed thirty thousands plus every year?

let's start with the fact that no 2 year old has ever killed anyone with a car yet, MKay?
coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 1 Jan, 2015 08:46 pm
@CalamityJane,
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or at least shut up the stupid ones!

Where does that leave you?
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 1 Jan, 2015 08:52 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
BillRM wrote:
When such smart guns are at the stage that the police begin to carry them and depend on them we can talk about demanding all new firearms be smart guns.

agreed. Is the technology ready? I want to see cop guns all with owner fire only technology, and recording the time and gps position of the weapon firing when the cop is on duty.

The technology isn't ready. But if the technology ever becomes good enough that there is no problem with requiring cops to use such guns, you will see much less opposition from the gun rights movement about requiring it for civilians.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 1 Jan, 2015 08:52 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
BillRM wrote:
A trigger locked on a gun you are carrying around for protection????!!!!!???

yes, explain the problem with this please

The problem is that a gun which is being carried for protection needs to be able to be drawn and fired within a handful of seconds.

Trigger locks are for guns that are in cold storage, not for guns that are being carried in anticipation of imminent self defense.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 1 Jan, 2015 08:54 pm
@engineer,
engineer wrote:
A minority of a plurality has driven us to self destructive behavior and is keeping the gun pointed at our heads.

I disagree that freedom is self destructive.

These deaths, some of them likely from tragically negligent behavior, are not the issue with the gun control movement. The gun control fight is purely about freedom. Some people just hate America's freedom and want to abolish it any way they can. Sometimes these freedom haters will fly a plane full of people into an American skyscraper, and sometimes they will turn to gun control legislation. Either way, it is a mistake to believe that they have any goal other than their opposition to our freedom.

Now, if you were to say that you were concerned over these deaths, that I could believe. Same with Hawkeye.

But that name-calling freedom-hating thumb-downing rabble, no. They don't care a bit about the deaths. They only care about abolishing our freedom.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 1 Jan, 2015 08:55 pm
@CalamityJane,
CalamityJane wrote:
get those tea baggers out of office and back to the woods.

The nice thing about living in a proper democracy is, rural people get to vote for their own representatives no matter how much the Liberals don't like it.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Thu 1 Jan, 2015 09:47 pm
@izzythepush,
For an ex military police type, thats the dumbest question ever asked.

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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Thu 1 Jan, 2015 09:49 pm
@ehBeth,
The baby wants to defend himself from BillRM. He's tired of BillRM stealing his pablum and posting it here.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Thu 1 Jan, 2015 09:50 pm
@One Eyed Mind,
SNICKER!
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Thu 1 Jan, 2015 09:51 pm
@BillRM,
BULLSHIT! A small automatic is an easy pull.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Thu 1 Jan, 2015 09:57 pm
@coldjoint,
Smarter than you?
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 2 Jan, 2015 03:34 am
@engineer,
engineer wrote:
So why do we need to talk about this now? We said we were going to talk about it after Sandy Hook. The result was looser gun laws and the NRA pushing for arming teachers. In the year after Sandy Hook, 72 children were killed by other children and 52 of those deaths were due to guns being left unsecured. Why is this death any different? In 2013, three Americans were killed by terrorists (Boston) so deaths of children from unsecured guns is over an order of magnitude higher. How much did we spend on preventing those gun deaths compared to how much we spend on anti-terror. We all like to vote oralloy down but we all know deep down that he is right. A minority of a plurality has driven us to self destructive behavior and is keeping the gun pointed at our heads.

I just saw a commercial on PBS for an upcoming episode of Frontline which will examine the indomitable might of the gun rights movement in America.

I'm a bit concerned over whether they will get the facts right, but Frontline usually does get it right, so maybe I shouldn't be concerned.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 2 Jan, 2015 04:13 am
@CalamityJane,
CalamityJane wrote:

That's the scary part - people like oralloy do carry guns and probably 24/7 to show everyone what freedom is. .


It is frightening, Oralboy isn't responsible enough to carry a spoon. It has nothing to do with freedom, and everything with being told what to do.

Oralboy lacks the capacity to reason, time and again, on many different threads, he's been presented with factual evidence that contradicts what he's been saying. A person capable of reason would adjust their argument accordingly. Oralboy doesn't, he just repeats himself, or calls people liars. Clearly someone else is doing his thinking for him, he's just a parrot. And definitely the least free person on A2K.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 2 Jan, 2015 04:15 am
@coldjoint,
No one would ever mistake you for anything other than a bigoted moron.
 

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