gollum
 
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Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2014 08:05 am
@giujohn,
glujohn-

It might suggest the extent to which the jurors voted on the merits and the extent that they voted based on their own skin color.
giujohn
 
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Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2014 03:44 pm
@gollum,

Quote:
It might suggest the extent to which the jurors voted on the merits and the extent that they voted based on their own skin color.


Uh...not sure which post you're referencing.


gollum
 
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Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2014 03:53 pm
@giujohn,
giujohn-

My original Question that initiated this thread.
giujohn
 
  -1  
Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2014 04:46 pm
@gollum,
Ah...well it is a moot point dont you think?
(as I understand it the majority make up was non-white)
Germlat
 
  2  
Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2014 05:14 pm
@giujohn,
giujohn wrote:

Ah...well it is a moot point dont you think?
(as I understand it the majority make up was non-white)

Last time I checked I'm white...so is Edgar...dissapointed?
oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2014 05:14 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
Germlat wrote:
This is one of the most glaring of injustices and abuse of power I've ever heard of in my life.

Is it not the job of a police officer to arrest those who break the law?

oralloy wrote:
Germlat wrote:
I still don't understand why this cop isn't in prison.

What crime did the police officer commit that would warrant such a penalty?


<awkward silence.... crickets chirping.... coyote howling in the distance....>
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2014 05:16 pm
@Germlat,
Germlat wrote:
I saw a photo of the chokehold.

Here's a couple more questions for everyone to avoid:

Was it really a choke hold?


Germlat wrote:
There were 4 people participating in subduing the man....although, it was the unnecessary chokehold which killed him.

Are you sure it wasn't pressure on his abdomen that caused his death?
Germlat
 
  2  
Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2014 05:18 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

Germlat wrote:
I saw a photo of the chokehold.

Here's a couple more questions for everyone to avoid:

Was it really a choke hold?


Germlat wrote:
There were 4 people participating in subduing the man....although, it was the unnecessary chokehold which killed him.

Are you sure it wasn't pressure on his abdomen that caused his death?

Whatever it was, I'm sure the medical examiner could figure it out when he ruled it as asphyxia ....for peddling cigarettes...
gollum
 
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Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2014 05:19 pm
@giujohn,
giujohn-

You may be right.

I read several times that it requires a vote of 12 jurors who have heard all the evidence to indict. I guess it means that there are 12 persons on the jury and so unanimity is needed to indict. (I was on a federal grand jury with 23 persons with 16 needed to indict.)

The policeman's lawyer said that the grand jury was roughly half white, with the other half evenly divided among blacks and Hispanics.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2014 05:23 pm
@giujohn,
Google your name. Who do you think I am, your mom? I mean we both wear L.L. Bean but she has the better mustache. Putz!
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2014 05:26 pm
@Germlat,
Germlat wrote:
Last time I checked I'm white...so is Edgar...dissapointed?

You were talking about the make up of the grand jury were you not?

Unless you were a member of that grand jury, your statement of your own skin color is is more a source of confusion than disappointment. What in the world does your skin color have to do with the make up of the grand jury?

Confused
Germlat
 
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Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2014 05:27 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

Germlat wrote:
Last time I checked I'm white...so is Edgar...dissapointed?

You were talking about the make up of the grand jury were you not?

Unless you were a member of that grand jury, your statement of your own skin color is is more a source of confusion than disappointment. What in the world does your skin color have to do with the make up of the grand jury?

Confused

So what? I think this was a great injustice.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2014 05:31 pm
@coldjoint,
Hey fuckface, do your own googling, I do my own. You are painfully stupid. Your little girlfriend admitted the one I mentioned about Big Bang Theory was real. Go ahead moron, prove me wrong, google your girlfriend's name, see if there aren't at least eight other teenage websites. Your girlfriend uses the same same screen name allover the internet. How dumb was that? And to cap it off - on sucko lame emo wuss sites!
0 Replies
 
bobsal u1553115
 
  3  
Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2014 05:32 pm
@giujohn,
Hey **** wad, I'll never ignore you or coldfart.

Oralloy is another question. He's a pervert. And a pal of yours.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2014 05:34 pm
@Germlat,
Germlat wrote:
I think this was a great injustice.

So far you've not named the alleged crime that this police officer is supposed to have committed.
Germlat
 
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Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2014 05:38 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

Germlat wrote:
I think this was a great injustice.

So far you've not named the alleged crime that this police officer is supposed to have committed.

Excessive force... Killing someone. He had two other cases against him for false arrest. One settled by he city... Talking about Pantaleo ( the one that KILLED the man)
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2014 05:50 pm
@Germlat,
Germlat wrote:
Excessive force...

I've seen conflicting claims on whether this guy was resisting arrest.

If he was NOT resisting arrest, then I can see the case for excessive force.

However, if he WAS resisting arrest, tackling him and manhandling him into handcuffs would not seem to be excessive.

I don't know enough about the case to know whether or not he was resisting arrest.


Germlat wrote:
Killing someone.

Accidental deaths are only crimes if there is some sort of criminal negligence or something similar. Is there any case for such in this death?
Germlat
 
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Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2014 05:55 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

Germlat wrote:
Excessive force...

I've seen conflicting claims on whether this guy was resisting arrest.

If he was NOT resisting arrest, then I can see the case for excessive force.

However, if he WAS resisting arrest, tackling him and manhandling him into handcuffs would not seem to be excessive.

I don't know enough about the case to know whether or not he was resisting arrest.


Germlat wrote:
Killing someone.

Accidental deaths are only crimes if there is some sort of criminal negligence or
something similar. Is there any case for such in this death?

The problem is excessive force... Given the officer's history...he had no problem with this. He still has a pending case against him and a history of the the city having to settle one for him. There were FOUR subduing a man for peddling cigarrettes...one KILLED him for it.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2014 06:02 pm
@Germlat,
Germlat wrote:
Pantaleo (the one that KILLED the man)

I'm not entirely sure that is the case. If it turns out that the primary cause of death was pressure on his abdomen, it may not be the case that Pantaleo was the source of the pressure on his abdomen.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2014 06:07 pm
@Germlat,
Germlat wrote:
The problem is excessive force...

That depends on whether he was resisting arrest (something I've seen conflicting claims on).

IF he was resisting arrest, tackling him and manhandling him into handcuffs would not seem excessive.

If he was not resisting though, I can see how it would be excessive.


Germlat wrote:
There were FOUR subduing a man for peddling cigarrettes...one KILLED him for it.

That makes it sound as if this was an intentional killing. It was clearly an accidental death.
 

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