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15 PHD level scientists say evolution is a bunch of bullshit

 
 
DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2014 07:22 pm
@rosborne979,
Dude, nothing is known to evolve without first including DNA. It is just that simple, really.
DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2014 07:23 pm
@rosborne979,
They might replicate themselves, if DNA is incorporated. Since DNA is now storing binary code, the future is exciting. https://wearabletechnologies.co.uk/2014/11/step-closer-cyborgs-hard-drives-flash-drives-dna-drives/

https://newsoffice.mit.edu/2014/bacteria-storage-device-memory-1113

DNA is the most advanced thing ever created.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2014 07:26 pm
@Kolyo,
A very witty novel... In the end the two men (who are there to repair the robot) cannot prove the robot wrong and decide to use its worldview to their advantage instead. They just 'patch' it by adding to its 'religion' a new 'commandment' that it should deliver such and such items on schedule because that's what 'God' designed it to do, or something like that.
FBM
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2014 07:28 pm
@DNA Thumbs drive,
DNA Thumbs drive wrote:

They might replicate themselves, if DNA is incorporated. Since DNA is now storing binary code, the future is exciting. https://wearabletechnologies.co.uk/2014/11/step-closer-cyborgs-hard-drives-flash-drives-dna-drives/

https://newsoffice.mit.edu/2014/bacteria-storage-device-memory-1113

DNA is the most advanced thing ever created.


All you have to do is provide evidence for said creator that is stronger than that for the RNA World Hypothesis.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2014 07:33 pm
@DNA Thumbs drive,
DNA is to modern computers what cuisine is to McDonald: better, less poluting and all but far slower. I doubt DNA computers will replace electric ones anytime soon...
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Kolyo
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2014 07:35 pm
@Olivier5,
Well, this guy seems to subscribe to the same notion that a less complex process (or life-form) can't create a process (or life-form) of greater complexity.

He's like our very own QT1 !
FBM
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2014 07:39 pm
And scientists are getting closer and closer...

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ja410124v

Quote:
Spontaneous Prebiotic Formation of a β-Ribofuranoside That Self-Assembles with a Complementary Heterocycle

Michael C. Chen †, Brian J. Cafferty †, Irena Mamajanov †, Isaac Gállego †, Jaheda Khanam †, Ramanarayanan Krishnamurthy §, and Nicholas V. Hud *†
† School of Chemistry and Biochemistry and Parker H. Petit Institute for Bioengineering and Bioscience, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, Georgia 30332, United States
§ Department of Chemistry, The Scripps Research Institute, La Jolla, California 92037, United States
J. Am. Chem. Soc., 2014, 136 (15), pp 5640–5646
DOI: 10.1021/ja410124v
Publication Date (Web): December 13, 2013

The RNA World hypothesis is central to many current theories regarding the origin and early evolution of life. However, the formation of RNA by plausible prebiotic reactions remains problematic. Formidable challenges include glycosidic bond formation between ribose and the canonical nucleobases, as well as the inability of nucleosides to mutually select their pairing partners from a complex mixture of other molecules prior to polymerization. Here we report a one-pot model prebiotic reaction between a pyrimidine nucleobase (2,4,6-triaminopyrimidine, TAP) and ribose, which produces TAP-ribose conjugates in high yield (60–90%). When cyanuric acid (CA), a plausible ancestral nucleobase, is mixed with a crude TAP+ribose reaction mixture, micrometer-length supramolecular, noncovalent assemblies are formed. A major product of the TAP+ribose reaction is a β-ribofuranoside of TAP, which we term TARC. This nucleoside is also shown to efficiently form supramolecular assemblies in water by pairing and stacking with CA. These results provide a proof-of-concept system demonstrating that several challenges associated with the prebiotic emergence of RNA, or pre-RNA polymers, may not be as problematic as widely believed.


Emphasis added.
DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2014 07:51 pm
@FBM,
In other words we should have the same faith that you have in abiogenesis.
FBM
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2014 07:53 pm
@DNA Thumbs drive,
DNA Thumbs drive wrote:

In other words we should have the same faith that you have in abiogenesis.


Who needs faith when there's evidence? Got any for your favorite deity?
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DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2014 07:53 pm
@Kolyo,
Are you aware of how complicated that the simplest known cell is? I do because I watch FOX news.
rosborne979
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2014 08:01 pm
@DNA Thumbs drive,
DNA Thumbs drive wrote:
Dude, nothing is known to evolve without first including DNA.

The hypothesis is that simple replicative molecules formed through natural chemical processes, and then those replicators evolved into more complex replicators like DNA. RNA is a simpler form of DNA and it's possible that it was a stage in the evolution of DNA.
rosborne979
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2014 08:02 pm
@DNA Thumbs drive,
DNA Thumbs drive wrote:
DNA is the most advanced thing ever created
DNA wasn't created, it evolved. Unless you are claiming it came about by magic. Is that what you are claiming?
Olivier5
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2014 08:05 pm
@Kolyo,
Yes, there are such things as emerging forces, dimensions or 'fields' or 'planes' of nature/being. Life is a new game altogether, which emerged from chemistry but cannot really be reduced to chemistry. Not the biochemistry of today at least, and for many reasons. We don't know yet how life happened or came to our planet. We cannot make it happen in a lab. And my guess is it's crackable but will take some time.

The problem is much more complex than just the appearance of self-replicating molecules. It's about the spontaneous emergeance of molecules (DNA, RNA) that can self-replicate AND CODE FOR OTHER MOLECULES ESSENTIAL TO LIFE, called proteins. And to make matters worse, the very same complex proteins that DNA and RNA code for are NECESSARY for the replication of DNA and RNA, and for its decoding.

(DNA is a code, and as any code, it needs to be decoded. This is done by a whole slew of cellular tools and structures (enzymes, ribosomes), which are themselves very complex and in the main formed of very complex proteins... And the code for making them proteins is in the DNA code...)

That's a chicken and egg situation. As we know, the real chicken and egg problem HAS a solution, which is: a long series of earlier species than chicken + their eggs. Similarly, the DNA/RNA/Proteins system was preceded by a simpler system. We know of many species without DNA, with just RNA/Proteins. Maybe there was an earlier form of RNA/Protein system that can emerge from complex non-biological chemistry but I don't see how. Maybe there was an earlier molecule before RNA that could be replicated AND code for the proteins necessary to decode itself... But it remains a rather stuborn chicken and egg problem.
rosborne979
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2014 08:06 pm
@DNA Thumbs drive,
DNA Thumbs drive wrote:
Are you aware of how complicated that the simplest known cell is? I do because I watch FOX news.

Dude, you just made me laugh and spit my coffee all over the screen. Smile Now I'm starting to think you're just yanking our collective chain.
DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2014 08:23 pm
@rosborne979,
The antonyms of hypothesis are fact, proof, reality and truth......

So you choose the hypothesis, and I will choose the antonyms of hypothesis.

Source Thesaurus.com.
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FBM
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2014 08:31 pm
@rosborne979,
rosborne979 wrote:

DNA Thumbs drive wrote:
Are you aware of how complicated that the simplest known cell is? I do because I watch FOX news.

Dude, you just made me laugh and spit my coffee all over the screen. Smile Now I'm starting to think you're just yanking our collective chain.



http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/DinahFyre/6obe.jpg
DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2014 08:32 pm
@rosborne979,
How did DNA evolve, when all evolution begins with DNA............Nothing can evolve that does not exist.

You do know that DNA can be used to store the bible as binary code? if not here is the proof. http://www.readcube.com/articles/10.1038/nature11875

FBM
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2014 08:33 pm
@DNA Thumbs drive,
Circular reasoning is circular. First show evidence for your god.
DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2014 08:44 pm
@Olivier5,
There are many different types of viruses, some of which are encoded by RNA, not DNA. Thus, RNA is their genetic material. RNA viruses replicate using their own RNA polymerases. One fascinating set of viruses are the retroviruses and lentiviruses, which have an RNA genome in the virion, but are copied into a DNA copy via an enzyme called reverse transcriptase. The DNA copy is inserted into the host genome, which can cause cancer in some cases by integrating near "oncogenes". The "proviral" DNA is then copied like any other gene by cellular enzymes. The fascinating thing about viruses is that they have evolved all sorts of mechanisms to replicate. They have been around alot longer than us and will outlast and outbeat us.

This is still a poor analogy, because there is exactly as much data saying that RNA can form in a warm pond as DNA can. In this you can have faith.
DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2014 08:46 pm
@FBM,
You got that from the how to annoy a creationist page........

Very clever

Yawning loudly.
 

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