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15 PHD level scientists say evolution is a bunch of bullshit

 
 
FBM
 
  1  
Reply Sun 30 Nov, 2014 09:11 pm
@DNA Thumbs drive,
Sorry, but you don't get to make up your own definitions for words in science. Evolution is a theory. Ask and evolutionary biologist or consult their writings.
DNA Thumbs drive
 
  0  
Reply Sun 30 Nov, 2014 09:28 pm
@rosborne979,
Not true, the osprey is an individual not related to any other species, The osprey has always presented something of a riddle to taxonomists, but here it is treated as the sole living member of the family Pandionidae, and the family listed in its traditional place as part of the order Falconiformes.

Now with that out of the way, there is no such thing as a replicative molecule, not in science anyway. Only living cells containing DNA replicate, and the DNA of even a simple cell contains hundreds of thousands of lines of code, that if even just a little bit out of sync, are usually non functional or they will function to failure.
DNA Thumbs drive
 
  1  
Reply Sun 30 Nov, 2014 09:32 pm
@FBM,
Ok come over to my house, pick a fight with me, yell real loud and stamp your feet and see if my pure bred dogs teeth are a theory. I assure you that you will know that she is real, thus evolution is proved. However Darwin's imbecilic idea that DNA the most advanced thing that we know of in the Universe, was spawned by a warm pond that decided to start writing chemical computer code, is cookoo, and you can not begin to demonstrate otherwise.
FBM
 
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Reply Sun 30 Nov, 2014 09:36 pm
@DNA Thumbs drive,
Quote:
the osprey is an individual not related to any other species


Untrue. Here is the relationship:

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/DinahFyre/picture12.jpg
FBM
 
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Reply Sun 30 Nov, 2014 09:37 pm
@DNA Thumbs drive,
Circular reasoning fallacy. Evolution is a theory. You fucked up big time. Again.
DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Reply Sun 30 Nov, 2014 09:45 pm
@FBM,
Well clearly since the Osprey is a bird, then it is related to all birds, it is in your diagram alone as the only fish eagle.

The Osprey (left) has traditionally been considered to belong to its own monotypic family, the Pandionidae. This arrangement emphasizes several unique features of this "fish-hawk:" numerous adaptations for a life of fishing (reversible outer toe, spiny foot pads, nasal valves that close underwater, and more). Its fossil record goes back 15 million years (Poole 1994), and its adaptations as a fish-eating specialist have made it one of the most successful birds on earth. It has one of the widest ranges of all birds — it is found on every continent (except Antarctica). In the Old World it breeds as far north as Norway and as far south as Australia, and winters widely in Africa. In the New World it breeds from Alaska to the Caribbean, and winters in South America. It eats both freshwater and saltwater fish, permitting it to exist in a very wide range of water-margin habitats.
Because it is so widespread and is conspicuous around the margins of lakes, swamps, and on coastlines, Ospreys have been widely studied, and much is known about their ecology, behavior, biology, and migrations. Bretagnolle & Thibault (1993), for example, conducted a two year study on Osprey communications on Corsica. The identified 11 visual displays that are used to communicate in a semi-colonial environment without feeding territories. Protecting the young in the large exposed nests (bulky nests built atop drowned trees in many cases) is a key element in these communications.




Poole (1994) lists four subspecies of Osprey: migratory populations in North America and Asia (P.h. carolinensis and nominate halietus, respectively) and two non-migratory populations (P.h. ridgwayi in the Caribbean; cristatus from Java and New Guinea through Australia). Poole (1994) points to an interesting fact: despite its long history, Osprey has not evolved into different species. The fish-eating Haliaeetus sea-eagles, in contrast, have evolved into 8 separate species over a range nearly identical to that of the Osprey. Most of these eagles are, however, non-migratory, allowing for isolation and speciation. The long-distance migration of much of the Osprey population has permitted interchange between populations and less chance for subspecies to become isolated and evolve as species over time.

As it is a worldwide bird, this is surely the easiest of all monotypic families to locate! This one (right, in a fine shot by John Van de Graaff) is of the North American race carolinensis, in the Florida Everglades.


The Osprey's wings are long and rather narrow (left), and held sharply angled at the carpal joints. This wing structure allows for long migrations on strong wingbeats and short glides, rather than a reliance of thermals. The large black carpal patches and the black line through the eye to the hindneck are its most distinctive plumage patterns. It is always very impressive to watch an Osprey hunting low over a lake, and then grabbing a large fish with its feet! Sometimes it then has to battle aerial pirates — including Bald Eagles — to bring the fish to a favored perch for consumption. [This particular Osprey has just initiated wing and tail molt, as can be seen by the still very short feathers growing in the gaps.]
The local status of Osprey has been of some concern in many locales. Major declines in the northeastern United States in the 1960s-1970s were tied to DDT and other pesticides. After the banning of DDT, there were major efforts to re-establish Ospreys in coastal lagoons along all of the east coast by building nesting structures; today an International Osprey Society continues these efforts (web cams at nest sites are featured from time to time. Where I live in Monterey County, California, Osprey is a scarce but widespread migrant and winter visitor. A few winter on Elkhorn Slough every year. This is near where nesting was known, just over the border in Santa Cruz County, a century ago. Efforts to have nesting Ospreys in Monterey County (e.g., by building nest platforms at Elkhorn Slough Estuarine Reserve) have yet to succeed, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn of a nest here or somewhere on Lake San Antonio sometime in the future (see Roberson 2002 for more on local status).


FBM
 
  3  
Reply Sun 30 Nov, 2014 09:47 pm
@DNA Thumbs drive,
Quote:
the osprey is an individual not related to any other species


Quote:
the Osprey is a bird, then it is related to all birds,


You're going to have to do a lot better than this.
DNA Thumbs drive
 
  -1  
Reply Sun 30 Nov, 2014 09:49 pm
@FBM,
If evolution is a theory, then by your circular reasoning, all selectively bred organisms, from farm crops that have been cross pollinated, selective evolution, and every manmade mammal from farm animals to dogs are theories, and not real. When a dog breeder selectively breeds a dog, this is forced evolution, sure it is not natural evolution, but that does not mean that it is not real. Do you really believe that dairy cows are a theory.

sheeshes
FBM
 
  2  
Reply Sun 30 Nov, 2014 09:52 pm
@DNA Thumbs drive,
Theories are abstract concepts, not entities. You're making the reification fallacy.
DNA Thumbs drive
 
  -1  
Reply Sun 30 Nov, 2014 09:52 pm
@FBM,
I did, you just chose not to read.

The Osprey (left) has traditionally been considered to belong to its own monotypic family, the Pandionidae. This arrangement emphasizes several unique features of this "fish-hawk:" numerous adaptations for a life of fishing (reversible outer toe, spiny foot pads, nasal valves that close underwater, and more). Its fossil record goes back 15 million years (Poole 1994), and its adaptations as a fish-eating specialist have made it one of the most successful birds on earth. It has one of the widest ranges of all birds — it is found on every continent (except Antarctica). In the Old World it breeds as far north as Norway and as far south as Australia, and winters widely in Africa. In the New World it breeds from Alaska to the Caribbean, and winters in South America. It eats both freshwater and saltwater fish, permitting it to exist in a very wide range of water-margin habitats.
Because it is so widespread and is conspicuous around the margins of lakes, swamps, and on coastlines, Ospreys have been widely studied, and much is known about their ecology, behavior, biology, and migrations. Bretagnolle & Thibault (1993), for example, conducted a two year study on Osprey communications on Corsica. The identified 11 visual displays that are used to communicate in a semi-colonial environment without feeding territories. Protecting the young in the large exposed nests (bulky nests built atop drowned trees in many cases) is a key element in these communications.
Poole (1994) lists four subspecies of Osprey: migratory populations in North America and Asia (P.h. carolinensis and nominate halietus, respectively) and two non-migratory populations (P.h. ridgwayi in the Caribbean; cristatus from Java and New Guinea through Australia). Poole (1994) points to an interesting fact: despite its long history, Osprey has not evolved into different species. The fish-eating Haliaeetus sea-eagles, in contrast, have evolved into 8 separate species over a range nearly identical to that of the Osprey. Most of these eagles are, however, non-migratory, allowing for isolation and speciation. The long-distance migration of much of the Osprey population has permitted interchange between populations and less chance for subspecies to become isolated and evolve as species over time.

As it is a worldwide bird, this is surely the easiest of all monotypic families to locate! This one (right, in a fine shot by John Van de Graaff) is of the North American race carolinensis, in the Florida Everglades.


The Osprey's wings are long and rather narrow (left), and held sharply angled at the carpal joints. This wing structure allows for long migrations on strong wingbeats and short glides, rather than a reliance of thermals. The large black carpal patches and the black line through the eye to the hindneck are its most distinctive plumage patterns. It is always very impressive to watch an Osprey hunting low over a lake, and then grabbing a large fish with its feet! Sometimes it then has to battle aerial pirates — including Bald Eagles — to bring the fish to a favored perch for consumption. [This particular Osprey has just initiated wing and tail molt, as can be seen by the still very short feathers growing in the gaps.]
The local status of Osprey has been of some concern in many locales. Major declines in the northeastern United States in the 1960s-1970s were tied to DDT and other pesticides. After the banning of DDT, there were major efforts to re-establish Ospreys in coastal lagoons along all of the east coast by building nesting structures; today an International Osprey Society continues these efforts (web cams at nest sites are featured from time to time. Where I live in Monterey County, California, Osprey is a scarce but widespread migrant and winter visitor. A few winter on Elkhorn Slough every year. This is near where nesting was known, just over the border in Santa Cruz County, a century ago. Efforts to have nesting Ospreys in Monterey County (e.g., by building nest platforms at Elkhorn Slough Estuarine Reserve) have yet to succeed, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn of a nest here or somewhere on Lake San Antonio sometime in the future (see Roberson 2002 for more on local status).

DNA Thumbs drive
 
  -1  
Reply Sun 30 Nov, 2014 09:54 pm
@FBM,
And how do you apply that definition to a warm pond deciding to write hundreds of thousands of lines of the DNA code needed for the first cell to live in our World?
FBM
 
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Reply Sun 30 Nov, 2014 09:54 pm
@DNA Thumbs drive,
Your wall of C&P in a smokescreen of irrelevant data from someone much smarter than yourself. You fucked up. You don't know what you're talking about, and you contradict yourself. You'll have to do better.

Quote:
Quote:
the osprey is an individual not related to any other species


Quote:
the Osprey is a bird, then it is related to all birds,
FBM
 
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Reply Sun 30 Nov, 2014 09:55 pm
@DNA Thumbs drive,
DNA Thumbs drive wrote:

And how do you apply that definition to a warm pond deciding to write hundreds of thousands of lines of the DNA code needed for the first cell to live in our World?


I don't. A pond and its inhabitants are not abstractions, but concrete entities.
DNA Thumbs drive
 
  -1  
Reply Sun 30 Nov, 2014 09:58 pm
@FBM,
It is obvious that the osprey is related to other birds, however, the Osprey has traditionally been considered to belong to its own monotypic family, the Pandionidae, this would be more accurate. However what exactly are you trying to achieve? I am not sure of your point?
DNA Thumbs drive
 
  -1  
Reply Sun 30 Nov, 2014 10:00 pm
@FBM,
Darwin's pond had no inhabitants, until the pond itself decided by some unknown to mankind force decided to start writing the DNA of life. This is the beginning of his theory.
Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sun 30 Nov, 2014 10:17 pm
@DNA Thumbs drive,
DNA Thumbs drive wrote:

Evolution is a scientific fact, every selectively evolved animal species proves this. Darwin's theory only works for the evolution of already existing species, and the Origin of the Species does not even try to get into where the species came from in the first place in order to evolve. The constant problem that creeps up over and over, is that there is not one definition of either evolution, or intelligent design, there seem to be almost as many meanings of these as there are people to interpret them. Furthermore saying that a theory is a belief that has been verified makes absolutely no sense, as once a belief has been verified, it's scientific fact and no longer a theory, try using a dictionary next time.

I explained exactly where the theory of evolution says that species came from. Once a molecule formed that could copy itself, it lead to the species we have today by a combination of mutation and natural selection. Your statement that the theory doesn't explain it is wrong. As for using a dictionary:

Quote:
A theory in technical use is a more or less verified or established explanation accounting for known facts or phenomena


from Random House Kernerman Webster's College Dictionary, as quoted at:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/theory
DNA Thumbs drive
 
  -1  
Reply Sun 30 Nov, 2014 10:24 pm
@Brandon9000,
Your explanation is an unsubstantiated and not verified by science opinion. Until someone creates a molecule this way, it is just a supposition and fiction. Furthermore again there are no self replicating molecules, can you name one?
Only cells with DNA can replicate, but you don't care, because you can't accept that there is more to the universe than you.

Wake up, everything you are spouting is unverified by science.
FBM
 
  2  
Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2014 12:24 am
@DNA Thumbs drive,
DNA Thumbs drive wrote:

It is obvious that the osprey is related to other birds, however, the Osprey has traditionally been considered to belong to its own monotypic family, the Pandionidae, this would be more accurate. However what exactly are you trying to achieve? I am not sure of your point?


The point is that you are talking out of your ass. You blatantly contradicted yourself and got called out on it. End of story.
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FBM
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2014 12:25 am
@DNA Thumbs drive,
DNA Thumbs drive wrote:

Darwin's pond had no inhabitants, until the pond itself decided by some unknown to mankind force decided to start writing the DNA of life. This is the beginning of his theory.


Anthropomorphic fallacy. Ponds don't have nervous systems; they can't decide anything. Try again. It's free.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2014 04:58 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5CgXfkEGxE0

 

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