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Ray Rice:Discussing domestic violence

 
 
Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2014 08:54 am
I'm sure some of you are familiar with the situation of Ray Rice the football player who knocked his fiancee out in an hotel elevator during a domestic issue. Now, I certainly think the issue regarding Mr. Rice reveals a lot of the prevailing issues of their relationship, but I would like to ask, when it comes to domestic violence what is the difference between DV (Domestic Violence) and self-defense? Would self-defense be classified as responsive violence as opposed to DV which is chronic occurrence of violence?

 
maxdancona
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2014 09:19 am
@Buttermilk,
Quote:
Now, I certainly think the issue regarding Mr. Rice reveals a lot of the prevailing issues of their relationship,


I don't think the media circus/public spectacle has led to any insight into the prevailing issues of anything.

The fact that no one is giving Janay Rice (the victim) any respect is a little troubling to me. In the rush to judgement, her voice is being completely drowned out and her point of view is being dismissed (if not openly mocked).

Buttermilk
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2014 01:59 am
@maxdancona,
But who is not giving Janay respect? From my understanding unless I'm missing something, wasn't Janay the one one that initiated the physical contact?
maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2014 07:12 am
@Buttermilk,
Have you listened to what Janay is saying about the incident and about the public uproar that followed?
Buttermilk
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2014 07:48 am
@maxdancona,
I've seen the video she posted on twitter regarding the situation after Ray Rice was cut from the Ravens.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2014 07:50 am
@Buttermilk,
Do you respect her for what she is saying? Do you support her?
joefromchicago
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2014 08:16 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
The fact that no one is giving Janay Rice (the victim) any respect is a little troubling to me. In the rush to judgement, her voice is being completely drowned out and her point of view is being dismissed (if not openly mocked).

I've had the same concerns.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2014 08:34 am
@Buttermilk,
Buttermilk wrote:
I'm sure some of you are familiar with the situation of Ray Rice the football player who knocked his fiancee out in an hotel elevator during a domestic issue. Now, I certainly think the issue regarding Mr. Rice reveals a lot of the prevailing issues of their relationship, but I would like to ask, when it comes to domestic violence what is the difference between DV (Domestic Violence) and self-defense?



Would self-defense be classified as responsive violence
as opposed to DV which is chronic occurrence of violence?
The first time that he became violent with her,
definitionally, it was NOT chronic violence.





David
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2014 09:09 am
I love the idea that ruining the career of her now husband again her own express wished is going to be doing her any favors.

Women are children that need society protection even when they clearly had stated otherwise and empowering women is the last thing we in fact wish to do.

The lesson here to women is if they wish to have any say in the matter they can not get the police involved.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2014 01:48 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
I love the idea that ruining the career of her now husband against her
own express wished is going to be doing her any favors.

Women are children that need society protection even when they
clearly had stated otherwise and empowering women is the last thing
we in fact wish to do.
The ladies r gonna get pretty mad at u
for saying that, Bill!


BillRM wrote:
The lesson here to women is if they wish to have any say in the matter
they can not get the police involved.
It amounted to a de facto fine, in the millions of dollars,
against the victim, the wife.

Maybe she'll divorce him and try for a ball player
that has NOT been thrown out of his career. U think ?

There is a Friends of NRA Banquet on Friday, Sept. 19th,
at the Palm Beach Hilton, at 150 Australia Ave,
West Palm Beach, Florida at 6 PM. I 've got my ticket all ready!
Thay ofen have free guns, as door prizes!
When I was in NY, my friend, Cliff, sitting right next to me,
won a $7OO 9mm Glock 17 and about 3 weeks later, at another dinner,
my friend, Donald, won a .45 caliber compact SIG pistol as a door prize.
I did not win anything.

Y don' t u bring your mom, Bill??
I bet that she 'd enjoy a nice nite out!
I 'll buy her a drink, and maybe a revolver or a pistol.
WHICH does she prefer ?





David
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2014 01:55 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
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I 'll buy her a drink, and maybe a revolver or a pistol.
WHICH does she prefer ?


She used to love shooting my 1911 model A 45 and was good at doing so but with her current eyesight it would not be wise to have her armed.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2014 02:40 pm
@BillRM,
DAVID wrote:
I 'll buy her a drink, and maybe a revolver or a pistol.
WHICH does she prefer ?
BillRM wrote:
She used to love shooting my 1911 model A 45 and was good at doing so
but with her current eyesight it would not be wise to have her armed.
Well, my eyesight is OK.
Will I see u both at the Friends of NRA Banquet??

I look forward to meeting u both.





David




OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 12 Sep, 2014 11:44 am
@OmSigDAVID,
DAVID wrote:
I 'll buy her a drink, and maybe a revolver or a pistol.
WHICH does she prefer ?
BillRM wrote:
She used to love shooting my 1911 model A 45 and was good at doing so
but with her current eyesight it would not be wise to have her armed.
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Well, my eyesight is OK.
Will I see u both at the Friends of NRA Banquet??

I look forward to meeting u both.





David
It is one week from today,
that we will have the Friends of NRA Banquet.
I look forward to it eagerly. It will be an opportunity
to make new pro-freedom friends in Florida.

I wish that I coud take MY mom to the Banquet,
but I lost her over 4O years ago.
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glitterbag
 
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Reply Fri 12 Sep, 2014 12:16 pm
Is anyone trying to say that Ray Rice was in fear of his life?
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 12 Sep, 2014 01:33 pm
@glitterbag,
Quote:
Is anyone trying to say that Ray Rice was in fear of his life?


LOL where oh where did you come up with that question?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 12 Sep, 2014 02:21 pm
@BillRM,

Quote:
Is anyone trying to say that Ray Rice was in fear of his life?
BillRM wrote:
LOL where oh where did you come up with that question?
Whether someone 's life is in danger
is not necessarily related to being in fear.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Fri 12 Sep, 2014 03:20 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
I'm just curious if everyone saw the same video. Someone mentioned she started it, even if that's true, did Ray Rice respond the way he did because he thought his now wife was going to injure him. Was it an appropriate amount of force to protect himself?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 12 Sep, 2014 03:23 pm
@glitterbag,
Well, we can take a reasonable inference
that she sought to provoke him to anger
by spitting in his face. I suspect that it worked.
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 12 Sep, 2014 03:33 pm
@glitterbag,
Once more how does anyone come up with fear of any kind over this event?
He surely was not in fear of her and given how she confronted him she was not in fear of him at least at the time.

My theory and it only a theory is that they both had been drinking and his wife spited in his eyes and he lost it and slug her.

Bad behaviors from both of them and no he did not have a right to slug her but losing a career that will harm both of them and is clearly against the wishes of his now wife is crazy also in my opinion.

To this point in time there had been no indication that had come to light that there had been a history of domestic violence between the two of them. At least no indications that I am aware of.
Buttermilk
 
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Reply Fri 12 Sep, 2014 03:44 pm
@maxdancona,
Well I support the NFL's stance on domestic violence but if she is as guilty as Ray I don't support her.
 

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