Fergusonj shooting, autopsy in, all shots from front

@Finn dAbuzz,

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

And there is any chance that the grand jury will not indict?

This is why I frequently advocate that if anyone ever has to defend themselves from a minority, their best bet is to make sure all the witnesses are dead and then just slip away, letting the cops chalk everything up to "gang activity".

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

I DO want the lickspittles to stop this stupid uninformed upport of an event that, from its appearance is certainly not a proportional punishment now is it?

Why are you referring to self-defense in terms of "punishment"?

You know better.

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

I DO want the lickspittles to stop this stupid uninformed upport of an event that,
from its appearance is certainly not a proportional punishment now is it?

From your posts of your background, we KNOW that u r not stupid.

Therefore, it is ez to see that when u pretend not to understand
the difference between "punishment" (as u put it) and self defense, u r only faking stupidity.

David

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@Baldimo,

If Brown was running toward the cop and the last shot was the one to the head, then there would most likely be powder residue on the body but there wasn't. That means either Brown was much farther from the officer or he wasn't running. Either would reduce the threat you are attempting to create.

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@Baldimo,

Baldimo wrote:

He has a broken face Frank... the kid hit him so hard he broke his eye socket...

Just a few posts ago, you admitted we don't know this but now you are basing all your arguments on something you don't know.

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@parados,

Is that any better then you and the others basing your argument on the fact that he was shot in the back with his hands up? Or how about the protesters? They seem to be basing their protests on some pretty thin evidence. How about the Gov asking that a "a vigorous prosecution must now be pursued" even though there is no evidence to prosecute on.

There is more evidence that the cop was attacked then there is of Brown being shot in the back.

Have you also seen the latest news about the "star" witness and co-thief? Seems he is wanted on a warrant for lying to the police in another theft he had been a part of. It seems this guys credibility is really going down the tubes.

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@Baldimo,

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Is that any better then you and the others basing your argument on the fact that he was shot in the back with his hands up?

I have never made that argument.

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Or how about the protesters? They seem to be basing their protests on some pretty thin evidence.

So your goal is to react as emotionally as others only in the opposite direction?

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There is more evidence that the cop was attacked then there is of Brown being shot in the back.

No, there isn't. We have eyewitness testimony of both. We have no physical evidence supporting either at this time. So the evidence of both is equal.

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Have you also seen the latest news about the "star" witness and co-thief? Seems he is wanted on a warrant for lying to the police in another theft he had been a part of. It seems this guys credibility is really going down the tubes.

But he isn't the only eyewitness to make that claim so it bolsters his statement.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

Baldimo wrote:

He has a broken face Frank... the kid hit him so hard he broke his eye socket...

Just a few posts ago, you admitted we don't know this but now you are basing all your arguments on something you don't know.

He has to. He wants the "wrong party" to be the young man shot six times...and not the trained police officer...and that speculation is one way to get there.

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@Frank Apisa,

Fair enough Frank.

You keep saying the trained officer... If he was attacked and feared for his life and he had a broken face, it would seem he followed his training. You keep tossing that out there like it means something. All police officers are trained.

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@parados,

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If Brown was running toward the cop and the last shot was the one to the head, then there would most likely be powder residue on the body but there wasn't.

Oh I see, the cop could only hit him at point blank range. Bullshit.

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@Baldimo,

Baldimo wrote:

Fair enough Frank.

You keep saying the trained officer... If he was attacked and feared for his life and he had a broken face, it would seem he followed his training. You keep tossing that out there like it means something. All police officers are trained.

Baldimo...you are so blind on this issue...it pains me to watch you wallow in it.

The officer fired six bullets into Brown...including one through his eye and one through the top of his skull.

And so far, the reports show that no trace residue was found on the body. There appears to have been some distance between the muzzle of the gun and the body into which the shooter was pumping bullets.

ANYONE not recognizing that this shooting SEEMS excessive has to be myopic on these topics.

The police officer may well be exonerated. If this shooting had happened in the deep south fifty years ago...Las Vegas would be refusing bets on acquittal.

In any case, your entire argument so far seems to rest on very selective interpretation of the "evidence" available to the public at this time. The "broken face"; the "bum rush"...all speculation.

My argument is that at least six bullets were pumped into a young man (who died of the wounds)...and it appears that a trained, experienced police officer who had stopped him for walking in the street...did the shooting.

It SEEMS excessive.

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@Frank Apisa,

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My argument is that at least six bullets were pumped into a young man (who died of the wounds)...and it appears that a trained, experienced police officer who had stopped him for walking in the street...did the shooting.

I see, a trained officer stopped the black guy so he could kill him, got ya.

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@parados,

Do you know anything about guns?

Power residue is only found if the bullet is fired from a few feet away. From the story as it is told, he would only have powder residue on him from the shot that was fired in the car when he attacked the officer.

None of the head shots would have powder residue from them since they were fired at a distance. Keep in mind the cop more than likely has a broken eye socket from getting punched by the gentle giant. His aim would be off and as Frank likes to point out, he was trained LE but they don't teach you how to shoot with a broken face.

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@Baldimo,

Baldimo wrote:

Is that any better then you and the others basing your argument
on the fact that he was shot in the back with his hands up?
Or how about the protesters? They seem to be basing their protests
on some pretty thin evidence. How about the Gov asking that a
"a vigorous prosecution must now be pursued" even though there
is no evidence to prosecute on.

There is more evidence that the cop was attacked then there is
of Brown being shot in the back.

Have you also seen the latest news about the "star" witness and co-thief?
Seems he is wanted on a warrant for lying to the police in another
theft he had been a part of. It seems this guys credibility is really
going down the tubes.

The left wud have u believe
that an officer with years of clean record behind him
decided one fine day: "Hay, I 've got an idea!! I shud become a murderer, in public,
in front of whoever is hanging around this area because I wanna spend more time in prison
and I wanna have big lawyers' bills, like George Zimmerman.
I 'll pick on that big fellow over there, for my random murder with no motivation.
Let's see if I can convince him to break my right eye socket.
I never liked that eye socket much anyway. "

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@Baldimo,

Baldimo wrote:

Do you know anything about guns?

Power residue is only found if the bullet is fired from a few feet away. From the story as it is told, he would only have powder residue on him from the shot that was fired in the car when he attacked the officer.

Actually, the powder burns from the shot in the car would most likely be on Brown's clothing...which was not available to the forensics expert who did the second autopsy, Baldimo.

So you are saying Brown was more than a few feet away...when he was shot through the eye...yet the trained police officer continued to fire into him...with a shot to the top of his skull apparently while Brown was falling from the first five shots..including the one through his eye.

And you still do not think that SEEMS excessive???

You probably wouldn't acknowledge it as excessive if the officer reloaded his gun and fired the new batch into the dead body.

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None of the head shots would have powder residue from them since they were fired at a distance. Keep in mind the cop more than likely has a broken eye socket from getting punched by the gentle giant. His aim would be off and as Frank likes to point out, he was trained LE but they don't teach you how to shoot with a broken face.

Why should we "keep that in mind" when the only report of that is from a highly questionable source. Several conservative sources have also reported the report of the questionable source...but none, so far, has independently confirmed it.

Here is what the Chief of the Ferguson Police Department says:

There was no immediate confirmation of the injury from Ferguson authorities. Ferguson police chief Thomas Jackson has said that Wilson sustained a minor injury to his face but did not provide details.

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@Frank Apisa,

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Actually, the powder burns from the shot in the car would most likely be on Brown's clothing...

Which is what I said.

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So you are saying Brown was more than a few feet away...when he was shot through the eye...yet the trained police officer continued to fire into him...with a shot to the top of his skull apparently while Brown was falling from the first five shots..including the one through his eye.

I can tell you know nothing about guns. Do you think they take one shot at a time to see where it hits before firing again? No they take quick successive shots at the target until they are no longer in danger. If you had talked to any of this supposed family you have in LE you would know this. Your making me doubt you Frank.

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And you still do not think that SEEMS excessive???

You probably wouldn't acknowledge it as excessive if the officer reloaded his gun and fired the new batch into the dead body.

Fantasy Frank. Nice try. No I don't, I know how the police are trained and if you have family in LE like you say you do, you would know this. My dad is a federal cop, my brother was an MP and my nephew is currently an MP in the Airforce. I've asked most of my family because they are the experts on LE procedure. I think you take your own advice as expert.

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Why should we "keep that in mind" when the only report of that is from a highly questionable source. Several conservative sources have also reported the report of the questionable source...but none, so far, has independently confirmed it.

Questionable source? I guess Browns thief buddy who already has a warrant out for his arrest for lying to the cops, on another theft case is a better source? Please...

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Here is what the Chief of the Ferguson Police Department says:

There was no immediate confirmation of the injury from Ferguson authorities. Ferguson police chief Thomas Jackson has said that Wilson sustained a minor injury to his face but did not provide details.

Speaking of sources, got any for this quote?

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@Frank Apisa,

I am amazed t how several of the folks keep saying to "let the investigation proceed" but they are the ones whove been dismissing the shooting without any proof or evidence.

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@farmerman,

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I am amazed t how several of the folks keep saying to "let the investigation proceed" but they are the ones whove been dismissing the shooting without any proof or evidence.

You do seem amazed. And the investigation is necessary no matter who says it.

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@farmerman,

You know why? We were told a gentle giant from the get go and so far nothing I have seen shows him to be a gentle giant. He ruffed up a store clerk while in the commission of a possible robbery. No one wanted to think he "could" be capable of attacking a cop, but 10 minutes prior to the shooting he was doing just that to a civilian.

I'm always skeptical when it comes to claims of racism as the very first thing out there in the news. No proof that the shooting was race related except that the shooter was white and the victim was black.

I've seen many a source when the racism was the other direction and everyone always has a reason why it was ok for the black person to attack the white person and put them in the hospital.

Remember the stories of the punching game? Did you ever see a black person attacked by another black person in these stories? Nope it was people other than black people and we were told that they couldn't be racist, they are black.

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