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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 18 Nov, 2014 07:31 am
http://www.alternet.org/10-ways-police-ferguson-may-be-about-break-law?page=0%2C1&paging=off&current_page=1#bookmark

10 Ways Police in Ferguson May Be About to Break the Law
Police in Ferguson may target the rights of protesters after Brown verdict is announced.


November 17, 2014 |

When the Michael Brown verdict is announced, people can expect the police to take at least ten different illegal actions to prevent people from exercising their constitutional rights. The Ferguson police have been on TV more than others so people can see how awful they have been acting. But their illegal police tactics are unfortunately quite commonly used by other law enforcement in big protests across the US.

The First Amendment to the US Constitution promises the government will not abridge freedom of speech or to prevent the right of the people to peaceably assemble or to petition to the government for the redress of grievances.

Here is what they are going to do, watch for each of these illegal actions when the crowds start to grow.

1) Try to stop people from protesting.

The police all say they know they have to let people protest. So they usually will allow protests for a while. Then the police will get tired and impatient and try to stop people from continuing to protest. The government will say people can only protest until a certain time, or on a certain street, or only if they keep moving, or not there, not here, not now, no longer. Such police action is not authorized by the US Constitution. People have a right to protest, the government should leave them alone.

2) Provocateurs.

Police have likely already planted dozens of officers, black and white, male and female, inside the various protests groups. These officers will illegally spy on peaceful protesters and often take illegal actions themselves and encourage other people to take illegal action. They will even be arrested with others but magically not end up in jail. Others inside the groups will be paid to inform on the group to the government. Comically, when undercover police are uncovered they often claim they have a constitutional right to be there and try to use the constitution they are violating as a shield!

3) Snatch Squads.

Police will decide who they do not like or who they think are leaders. Then they will use small heavily armed groups to knife into peaceful crowds and grab people, pull them out and arrest them.

4) False Arrests.

The police will arrest whoever they choose whenever they choose and will make up stories to justify the arrests. If people are breaking glass or hurting others, those arrests are legal. However, the police will arrest first and sort out who they arrested later. Police in Ferguson have already wrongfully arrested legal observers, a law professor, and church leaders.

5) Intimidation.

As they have shown many times in Ferguson and all over the country, once the protests heat up, police will show up in full riot gear, dressed like ninja turtles (big flashy guns, plastic shields, big batons, shin guards, gas masks, flex cuffs) and act like they are military warriors protecting people from ISIS invasion.

6) Kettling or Encircling.

The police will surround a group and pen them in and not let them move. They will either arrest all or force them to leave in one direction. This, as the police know fully well, always sweeps up innocent bystanders as well as protestors. NYPD did this with hundreds on Brooklyn Bridge and at many other protests. Sometimes they deploy orange plastic nets or snow fencing, sometimes just lots of police.

7) Raids on supportive churches, organizations or homes.

Often the police make illegal pre-emptive raids on places where volunteers are sleeping, cooking or parking their cars. They lie to locals and accuse the protesters of links to violent organizations.

8) Pain Noise Trucks.

Police will also use LRAD noise trucks (Long Range Acoustic Device). First used in Iraq now used against peaceful protesters in the US. The trucks blast bursts of sound powerful enough to cause pain. Never approved by any court, this intentional infliction of pain is another sign of the militarization of the police. Police also use MRAPs Mine Resistant Ambush Protected Vehicles – heavily armored trucks which look like tanks but roll on wheels not treads. This is part of the intimidation.

9) Arresting reporters.

When the police are feeling the heat of public view, they will force journalists away from the protesters. Those who insist on engaging in constitutionally protected activity and returning to the scene will be arrested.

10) Chemical and other weapons.

When the police get really desperate and afraid, they will try to disperse the entire crowd with pepper spray, tear gas, and other chemical weapons, rubber or wooden bullets. If this happens the police have just about lost control and are at their most dangerous.

Dozens and dozens of different police forces which will be surrounding the protesters in Ferguson when the Michael Brown verdict is announced. There will be federal FBI agents, Homeland Security, US Marshalls, State Police troopers, County Sheriffs, and local city cops from the dozens of little towns in and around St. Louis. Perhaps this will be the time when the peoples’ constitutional rights to protest are actually protected. We can only hope. But in the meantime, look for these common police tactics.

Bill Quigley is a human rights lawyer and professor at Loyola University New Orleans College of Law. He is also a member of the legal collective of School of Americas Watch, and can be reached at [email protected].
parados
 
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Reply Tue 18 Nov, 2014 08:26 am
@giujohn,
giujohn wrote:

Looters and arsonists should be shot on sight...anyone who is unruley or disruptuve or who do not follow lawful orders of police should be arrested immediately. Any use of force should be met with overwhelming counter force. Video should be taken to identify agitators and instigators and charged with terroristic actions and incitement to riot.
If police violate the law they should be ajudicated by the rule of law.

Here we have someone claiming to be a cop proposing murder. It is statements like this that make people not trust the system when it comes to indicting cops that step over the line. It seems some cops are more than willing to kill people that don't follow their orders and then feel they are right for doing so even though the law clearly says otherwise.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 18 Nov, 2014 09:27 am
@parados,
parados wrote:
It is statements like this that make people not trust the system
when it comes to indicting cops that step over the line.
Do U "trust the system", Mr. Parados????????

R u a big truster?????
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 18 Nov, 2014 09:45 am
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:

http://www.alternet.org/10-ways-police-ferguson-may-be-about-break-law?page=0%2C1&paging=off&current_page=1#bookmark

10 Ways Police in Ferguson May Be About to Break the Law
Police in Ferguson may target the rights of protesters after Brown verdict is announced.


November 17, 2014 |

When the Michael Brown verdict is announced, people can expect the police to take at least ten different illegal actions to prevent people from exercising their constitutional rights. The Ferguson police have been on TV more than others so people can see how awful they have been acting. But their illegal police tactics are unfortunately quite commonly used by other law enforcement in big protests across the US.

The First Amendment to the US Constitution promises the government will not abridge freedom of speech or to prevent the right of the people to peaceably assemble or to petition to the government for the redress of grievances.

Here is what they are going to do, watch for each of these illegal actions when the crowds start to grow.

1) Try to stop people from protesting.

The police all say they know they have to let people protest. So they usually will allow protests for a while. Then the police will get tired and impatient and try to stop people from continuing to protest. The government will say people can only protest until a certain time, or on a certain street, or only if they keep moving, or not there, not here, not now, no longer. Such police action is not authorized by the US Constitution. People have a right to protest, the government should leave them alone.

2) Provocateurs.

Police have likely already planted dozens of officers, black and white, male and female, inside the various protests groups.
These officers will illegally spy on peaceful protesters
Point of Information:
WHICH law prohibits police
from spying on peaceful protesters????????

I always thought it was perfectly lawful
for ANYONE to spy on peaceful protesters.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 18 Nov, 2014 11:00 am




Quote:
Bill Quigley

Social Justice Advocacy


The author of Bobs link. Nothing like a another whining academic.http://www.alien-earth.org/images/smileys/jesusvomit.jpg
parados
 
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Reply Tue 18 Nov, 2014 11:20 am
@OmSigDAVID,
When police make comments about shooting black people on sight and then they are not held to account then no I don't trust the system.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 18 Nov, 2014 11:52 am
@bobsal u1553115,
So what do you propose the police do when the protesters turn into rioters and looters as has already been demonstrated in Ferguson? Seems like this article is already all setup to deflect the blame from the protesters to the police. It's shameless.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 18 Nov, 2014 04:47 pm
@parados,
Quote:
I don't trust the system.


Funny, you seem to behind everyone of Obamas lies.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 18 Nov, 2014 05:03 pm
@Baldimo,
Quote:
It's shameless.


Bob and those who think color trumps facts are shameless. The shame is children being bought up to act that way.

Nothing about looting and burning businesses is going to fix that. In fact, it will encourage it.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 18 Nov, 2014 05:06 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:
When police make comments about shooting black people on sight
While committing looting or arson; u left that out
(not important, I guess).



parados wrote:
and then they are not held to account
then no I don't trust the system.
OK. This might be the first time
that we've agreed about anything. No one shud trust anyone.
At least, like drunken driving, trusting shud be kept to a minimum.





David
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giujohn
 
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Reply Tue 18 Nov, 2014 10:13 pm
@parados,
Quote:
Here we have someone claiming to be a cop proposing murder


Murder??? You supercilious twit.

When directed to qell rioters, looters and arsonists under the rule of law, (and that would include using deadly force) it's not murder.

Emergency powers of governor.
44.100. 1. The emergency powers of the governor shall be as follows:


j) Perform and exercise such other functions, powers and duties as may be necessary to promote and secure the safety and protection of the civilian population;




Additonally
Missouri Revised Statutes
563.031.
2. A person may not use deadly force upon another person under the circumstances specified in subsection 1 of this section unless:
(3) Such force is used against a person who unlawfully enters, remains after unlawfully entering, or attempts to unlawfully enter private property that is owned or leased by an individual claiming a justification of using protective force under this section.

giujohn
 
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Reply Tue 18 Nov, 2014 10:18 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:
10 Ways Police in Ferguson May Be About to Break the Law


This dumb ass has his tin foil hat screwed on way too tight.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 19 Nov, 2014 08:13 am
@coldjoint,
Unless its a fucked face **** filled dumb assed piece of garbage empty headed logic bereft RW whiner you epitomize.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 19 Nov, 2014 08:17 am
On the off chance coldfart and his illiterate little pals can read.

You might want to re-think that comment you are about to post about Ferguson
I'm posting a tiny bit - follow the link for more.

http://beccyjoy.wordpress.com/2014/08/20/you-might-want-to-rethink-that-comment-you-are-about-to-post-about-ferguson-mo/


By saying, “you do not have all of the facts” we are essentially saying “I don’t believe that you are smart enough to know what is happening right in front of your face.”

By saying, “this isn’t a race issue” we are saying “I know more than black people about what it feels like to be black.”

By saying, “I’m sad about this too but…” we are saying that there is really an ending to this sentence that rectifies a mother losing a child.

By saying, “let’s see what the autopsy says” we are saying, “I need a white doctor to tell me what really happened because I’m not going to believe the eye witness accounts of a bunch of black kids.”
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 19 Nov, 2014 08:20 am
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parados
 
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Reply Wed 19 Nov, 2014 08:34 am
@giujohn,

Emergency powers of the governor do not grant police the power to shoot looters on sight.

Which stores do the police own?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 19 Nov, 2014 09:30 am
@bobsal u1553115,
If a white did what brown did,
i.e., the robbery and attacking police,
trying to take his gun, that white woud deserve
to end up the same way.

The ROBBERY, by itself,
tells us what was being dealt with there. We are all safer now.





David
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 19 Nov, 2014 09:46 am
@bobsal u1553115,
This is a wasted post.

Quote:
As shameful as it is, I understand it. Who wants to face the fact that a black teen got shot by a white police officer for no apparent reason?


So without any facts, she is saying MB was shot for no reason?
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Wed 19 Nov, 2014 12:31 pm
@parados,
Quote:
Which stores do the police own?


It doesn't matter. Gun sales have surged 700%. This is the progressive answer to justice? Complete disregard for the legal system? You asked for it, your going to get it.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 19 Nov, 2014 07:35 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

Quote:
Which stores do the police own?


It doesn't matter. Gun sales have surged 700%. This is the progressive answer to justice?
Complete disregard for the legal system? You asked for it, your going to get it.
Progress toward WHAT???????
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