George Galloway Full of Crap When He Says Jews have no right to be in Palestine

if I had my druthers, I would have been born into an American Methodist family, since I find them very high on the American identity scale. 

Sending Netanyahu and his accomplices to Mars is genius

The other family came from the east to conquer all the land surrounding the house and even into North Africa, about 1400 hundred years ago. The timelines are different for each family's knowing the house and the neighborhood.

Olivier, I don't agree with you often but the idea of sending Netanyahu and his accomplices to Mars is genius. I think they would be happy to have their very own planet and no pals to bother them. Im sure they could find a passage in the Tora that would justify it.

The simplistic idea that "the Jews" have an ancestral homeland in Palestine is a part of Zionist ideology that's based on religious mythology.

Well flip my flapjacks, Blue. I could have sworn they were clustered about Jerusalem until about 1900+/- years ago.
The destruction of the temple in 70 CE changed things in a big way.

This is historically false. Genetic studies show that they are the same people. The Israeli ancestors living in the Middle East 1400 years ago were also the Palestinian ancestors living in the Middle East 1400 years ago.
Mythology is all fine and good, but factually Jews and Palestinians have the same ancestral claim to the land since they have the same ancestors.

Only the Jews have a claim to a West Bank homeland.

Only the Jews have a claim to a West Bank homeland.

Based on what? Tell us in current international legal terms, not mythological mumbo jumbo without any proof of its existence.

neologist wrote:

It's certainly understandable that the Jews would hope to be restored to their anscestral homeland.

InfraBlue wrote:

The simplistic idea that "the Jews" have an ancestral homeland in Palestine is a part of Zionist ideology that's based on religious mythology. The Jewish religion began in Palestine, "the Jews" have origins in the various parts of the world where they live. The Ashkenazim, the Jews that came up with Zionism, are a European people.

Well flip my flapjacks, Blue. I could have sworn they were clustered about Jerusalem until about 1900+/- years ago.

The destruction of the temple in 70 CE changed things in a big way.

They had shared ancestors in the Middle East, but not shared ancestors in the West Bank.

Only the Jews have a claim to a West Bank homeland. The Palestinians were from a neighboring kingdom.

This is just more simplistic thinking. There was a minority of Jews living "clustered about Jerusalem," during that timeline.

InfraBlue wrote:

This is just more simplistic thinking. There was a minority of Jews living "clustered about Jerusalem," during that timeline.

Here's a bit of history for you:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maccabees

Initial positions and criticisms[edit]
In the first decades after the exodus two diametrically opposed schools of analysis could be distinguished. In the words of Erskine Childers:[1] "Israel claims that the Arabs left because they were ordered to, and deliberately incited into panic, by their own leaders who wanted the field cleared for the 1948 war," while "The Arabs charge that their people were evicted at bayonet-point and by panic deliberately incited by the Zionists."

Palestinian and Arab position[edit]
According to Glazer[2] "[t]he Arab view of history has maintained that the Palestinians did not leave their homes voluntarily [but] were expelled by Zionist aggression.... Sources sympathetic to the Arab viewpoint have seen in the events of 1948 the fulfilment of a long dreamed-of Zionist plan to rid Palestine of its Arab population, thus forcibly transforming Palestine into a Jewish state." Nur Masalha and Walid Khalidi points at the influence of thinking about "transfer" of the Arab population to other Arab countries, among Zionists in the years prior to the exodus. In 1961 Khalidi also said that the Zionists had military superiority and that Plan Dalet, the Zionists' military plan executed in April and May 1948, aimed at expelling the Palestinians.[3]

Etzel rejected the “restraint” policy of the Haganah and carried out armed reprisals against Arabs, which were condemned by the Jewish Agency.

This is completely false. They have the same genes from the same ancestors who lived in what is now called Israel and the West Bank neither of which existed 1400 years ago. 1400 years ago the territory they are fighting over was part of the Byzantine Empire and was called Paelestina.

Today's Palestinians share a genetic ancestry with the Jews that they don't share with other Middle Eastern peoples.

Are you talking about the British mandate? That's not even relevant to the Zionists who used force and threats to the Palestinians to leave.

This is completely false. They have the same genes from the same ancestors who lived in what is now called Israel and the West Bank neither of which existed 1400 years ago. 1400 years ago the territory they are fighting over was part of the Byzantine Empire and was called Paelestina.

Today's Palestinians share a genetic ancestry with the Jews that they don't share with other Middle Eastern peoples.

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:

This is just more simplistic thinking. There was a minority of Jews living "clustered about Jerusalem," during that timeline.

Here's a bit of history for you:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maccabees

Your bit of history does not negate what I wrote.