George Galloway Full of Crap When He Says Jews have no right to be in Palestine

Foofie wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

And they have managed to live there in relative peace with each other for a couple thousand years...

...until the creation of the state of Israel.

Exactly! So, having Jews autonomous is just too much cognitive dissonance for most Gentiles. Jews, like Christians, were second class citizens in Muslim l2ands. Jews were the property of the prince or king in Christian Europe. How can Jews have the desire to decide their own destiny? What are they Gentiles?

Or, maybe the fact that they suddenly had the power....and it all went slightly to their heads?

Tell me, Foof. Do you think that they have treated the Palestinians fairly, on balance?

Foofie, my point was that Jews and Arabs lived in relative harmony and peace in that area for thousands of years...and that the harmony and peace is now gone and the two sides are trying to destroy one another.

That all began with the beginning of the Zionist movement...and came into full being with the creation of the state of Israel.

That cannot really be argued...it is fact.

So...the creation of the state of Israel has to be considered the reason for the problems there.

Frank Apisa wrote:

Foofie, my point was that Jews and Arabs lived in relative harmony and peace in that area for thousands of years...and that the harmony and peace is now gone and the two sides are trying to destroy one another.

That all began with the beginning of the Zionist movement...and came into full being with the creation of the state of Israel.

That cannot really be argued...it is fact.

So...the creation of the state of Israel has to be considered the reason for the problems there.

You are not going to the primary cause of Zionism. That being European anti-Semitism, whether it was Catholic Europe, or Orthodox Christianity in Russia. So, you neatly avoid any Christian culpability to the root cause of Zionism.

If Jews felt they could live amongst Christians in peace, without pogroms, Final Solutions, etc., there would have been no Zionism.

Take responsibility for the Jew hatred for two thousand years. In my opinion, you Gentiles were a nicer lot as pagans. Then Jews were just odd fellows for believing in one God. Once you guys adopted the one God paradigm, Jews became Christ killers. Note that Jews are not Christ killers in Muslim theology. That might say something about the mindset of those that developed feudal Europe?

Israel was just the outcome of Jew hatred by all those loving Christians that Jews lived amongst for two-thousand years. Be a good fire warden, and discern the primary cause of the fire.

Or, maybe the fact that they suddenly had the power....and it all went slightly to their heads?

Do you think that they have treated the Palestinians fairly, on balance?

Be a good fire warden, and discern the primary cause of the fire.

...How about you taking a look at things with a bit more perspective, Foofie. Since Jews have not been able to get along with neighbors ANYWHERE...is it not possible they bear some of the responsibility for that inability?

...How about you taking a look at things with a bit more perspective, Foofie. Since Jews have not been able to get along with neighbors ANYWHERE...is it not possible they bear some of the responsibility for that inability?

...How about you taking a look at things with a bit more perspective, Foofie. Since Jews have not been able to get along with neighbors ANYWHERE...is it not possible they bear some of the responsibility for that inability?

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Be a good fire warden, and discern the primary cause of the fire.

A good fire warden puts out the fire, rather than try to find excuses for it.

I had no idea any of this hatred existed between Christians and Jews except for extreme cases of those skin heads (whatever they call themselves now) towards Jews and Blacks and anything else not white. I am somewhat surprised and hope it is not as common as it seems on this thread. I mean, just listen to people in congress, I don't hear of a lot of Christians who hate Jews and think of them as Christ killers. In fact most of them and many conservative Christians believe the reason we exist as a nation is to protect Israel for the second coming and the rapture and all that stuff.

Frank Apisa wrote:

...How about you taking a look at things with a bit more perspective, Foofie. Since Jews have not been able to get along with neighbors ANYWHERE...is it not possible they bear some of the responsibility for that inability?

The point you seem to have discerned is that Jews would prefer to live sort of in an insular ethnocentric mode, since historically, Christians liked Jews as potential converts to Christianity. Plus, let's not forget that only in modern times are most Christians literate. So, you are claiming Jews should have pandered to illiterate, under educated Christians, so the Christian self-esteem wouldn't engender antipathy.

You are defining "able to get along" with the Christian motto of love thy neighbor, in my opinion. Unfortunately, my neighbor has proclivities that I find alien to my culture, like drinking, tatoos, macho behavior, and anti-intellectualism. In other words, you have put the onus on Jews to be more like low class Christians (since upper class Christians have been able to insulate themselves from the social pariah - Jew).

Do some research and you'll see that Jews are just achievers in the modern society, like Asians, Indians (from India), Cubans, Nigerians. But, you want them to rub elbows with all the under educated blue collars? You are being silly, in my opinion.

And, by the way, upper class Catholics and Protestants only get along with upper class folks of their social class. You might have a double standard, in my opinion?

And, let's not forget that Christians often believe that Jews have a superiority complex.

That alone is cause for avoidance. I do not have a superiority complex, when I meet superior people. Unfortunately, I meet many people of a lesser mentality, and I just try to avoid interacting with them. That must really annoy them. But, my synapses ache after talking to under educated folk. Have some Christian pity on my poor superior synapses.

How on Earth could anyone get that idea? (Said sarcastically.)

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How on Earth could anyone get that idea? (Said sarcastically.)

And, Zionism's primary cause was Christian anti-Semitism for two-thousand years. Europeans learned their lesson well from European Christianity, mostly Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy. That is just a fact. 

if more people felt like me, there would be fewer intermarriages between Jews and Christians. That too is good, in my opinion. I actually like my gene pool.