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George Galloway Full of Crap When He Says Jews have no right to be in Palestine

 
 
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2014 10:49 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
The passage of time does not cause a legitimate owner to lose their claim to property that has been stolen from them.


Not true. There is the concept in law of 'squatters rights' .
revelette2
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2014 10:50 am
@izzythepush,
It's interesting to note that hundreds of Israelis wrote to the British Parliament in favor of the vote, they're reason is (I think this a British expression) spot on.

Quote:
The letter reads: “We, Israelis who worry and care for the well-being of the state of Israel, believe that the long-term existence and security of Israel depends on the long-term existence and security of a Palestinian state. For this reason we, the undersigned, urge members of the UK Parliament to vote in favor of the motion to be debated on Monday 13th October 2014, calling on the British Government to recognize the State of Palestine alongside the State of Israel “.


more at the source

I wish the US would do something similar, we will never do it though, unless the politics drastically change someday.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2014 12:12 pm
@revelette2,
At the moment it's symbolic, not binding, but the fact that only Labour MPs were whipped indicates a Labour Government would recognise Palestine.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2014 12:37 pm
@revelette2,
The US actions in support of Israel is a crime against humanity when they know about the illegal settlements that keeps expanding.
revelette2
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2014 12:47 pm
@izzythepush,
I know, but, it sends a good message and it puts the Palestinians on a better ground so to speak as to how they are portrayed. (can't really articulate what I mean)
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2014 12:55 pm
@revelette2,
It means, at least in the UK, that they recognize Palestine and the Palestinians as equal humans. The US government continues to miss that basic premise.
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2014 01:06 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
Lustig Andrei wrote:
oralloy wrote:
The passage of time does not cause a legitimate owner to lose their claim to property that has been stolen from them.

Not true. There is the concept in law of 'squatters rights' .

There is a substantial difference between abandoned property and stolen property.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2014 01:07 pm
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:
It's interesting to note that hundreds of Israelis wrote to the British Parliament in favor of the vote, they're reason is (I think this a British expression) spot on.

Quote:
The letter reads: “We, Israelis who worry and care for the well-being of the state of Israel, believe that the long-term existence and security of Israel depends on the long-term existence and security of a Palestinian state. For this reason we, the undersigned, urge members of the UK Parliament to vote in favor of the motion to be debated on Monday 13th October 2014, calling on the British Government to recognize the State of Palestine alongside the State of Israel".

more at the source

Israel's security may well be strengthened by a peaceful Palestinian state brought about through negotiations.

But the UK is trying to bring about a hostile Palestinian state by means of brute force.

This gives Israel the right to declare the Security Fence as their border and annex everything west of it. If a hostile state is to be created next to them, they have the right to ensure that a secure and defined border exists between it and them.

Israel will also have the right to take any military action against the new state that is necessary for Israel's security. This will almost certainly end up with full military reoccupation of all Palestinian areas.


revelette2 wrote:
I wish the US would do something similar, we will never do it though, unless the politics drastically change someday.

The US will never do anything so horrible. We believe in supporting the good guys.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2014 01:07 pm
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:
I know, but, it sends a good message and it puts the Palestinians on a better ground so to speak as to how they are portrayed. (can't really articulate what I mean)

I don't think that destroying the Oslo process once and for all, making it impossible for the Palestinians to ever have a state, really sends a good message.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2014 02:37 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
Your denial of history is goofy.

What you try to pass off as history is what's goofy.

oralloy wrote:
DNA shows that they are descended from an Iron Age culture that rose after the fall of the Bronze Age Canaanites.

The Israelites were an Iron Age culture that rose after the fall of the Bronze Age Canaanites.

You base your assertions on one line of speculation from a single article referring to a published study, and then go on to conflate this speculation with your own conjectures about "Iron Age culture" and then call it "history."

That is what's goofy.
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2014 02:48 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
oralloy wrote:
Your denial of history is goofy.

What you try to pass off as history is what's goofy.

It is unlikely that many people share your opinion that it is goofy for me to point out historical facts.


InfraBlue wrote:
oralloy wrote:
DNA shows that they are descended from an Iron Age culture that rose after the fall of the Bronze Age Canaanites.
The Israelites were an Iron Age culture that rose after the fall of the Bronze Age Canaanites.

You base your assertions on one line of speculation from a single article referring to a published study,

I've not seen any credible arguments that the science in question is wrong.


InfraBlue wrote:
and then go on to conflate this speculation

So science is speculation now is it?


InfraBlue wrote:
with your own conjectures about "Iron Age culture" and then call it "history."

The consensus of the world's archaeologists is hardly "my own conjecture".


InfraBlue wrote:
That is what's goofy.

What is goofy is the way you will go to any length to deny science and history.
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2014 09:49 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Israel has just taken a page out of our book when it comes to stealing other peoples land.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2014 09:50 pm
@RABEL222,
Please explain.
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Krumple
 
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Reply Wed 15 Oct, 2014 01:11 am
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:

Israel has just taken a page out of our book when it comes to stealing other peoples land.


Actually the reason the Jews are taking over Palestine is because the US provided tanks and weapons to the Jews who were the minority there allowing them forcibly pushed out the Palestinians. They have been doing that ever since and you can see year by year the Palestinian occupied lands slowly shrinking since that day until today.

It is cultural and political genocide. The Jews in Palestine are morally in the wrong but they get the go-ahead because they were persecuted in WW2 and that allows them to do what ever they want at any time. If you object to it they will just call you antisemitic to shut you up.

Religion is the poison of modern human culture. It needs to be cured and abandoned and left to fade like all other myths. It does more harm than good. There might have been a time when it was useful and beneficial but it's not any more, we have transcended it and it is now obsolete.

Religion is the equivalent of trying to use smoke signals for texting your friends.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 15 Oct, 2014 05:24 am
@Krumple,
RABEL222 wrote:
Israel has just taken a page out of our book when it comes to stealing other peoples land.

Israel are the legitimate owners here. The only land thieves are the Palestinians.


Krumple wrote:
Actually the reason the Jews are taking over Palestine is because the US provided tanks and weapons to the Jews who were the minority there allowing them forcibly pushed out the Palestinians.

The primary reason why Israel will control much of the land is because the Palestinians refuse to trade land for peace.


Krumple wrote:
They have been doing that ever since and you can see year by year the Palestinian occupied lands slowly shrinking since that day until today.

Wrong. Since 1967, Israel has repeatedly offered land in exchange for peace.

Israel handed over the Sinai in the 1970s, in exchange for peace for Egypt.

Israel handed over large sections of the West Bank to Palestinian control in the 1990s, back when everyone was foolish enough to believe that the Palestinians were willing to make peace.

Israel unilaterally withdrew from the Gaza Strip in the 2000s, in the futile hope that the Palestinians might become peaceful if left to their own devices.

Israel has repeatedly and endlessly offered, over the past 15 years or so, to return to 1967 borders in exchange for peace.


Krumple wrote:
It is cultural and political genocide.

Your anti-Semitism is disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourself.


Krumple wrote:
The Jews in Palestine are morally in the wrong

No they aren't.


Krumple wrote:
but they get the go-ahead because they were persecuted in WW2 and that allows them to do what ever they want at any time.

Israel gets the go ahead because they have done absolutely nothing wrong. They are merely defending themselves from brutal thugs who refuse to ever make peace.


Krumple wrote:
If you object to it they will just call you antisemitic to shut you up.

Denouncing anti-Semitism is not intended to shut anyone up.

When a claim is denounced as anti-Semitism, that claim is labeled as being beyond the bounds of human decency, and therefore subject to automatic rejection without being addressed.

However, this does not prevent people from making such a claim. Freedom of Speech trumps all.
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revelette2
 
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Reply Wed 15 Oct, 2014 06:59 am
@cicerone imposter,
Exactly, I couldn't get it out, but that's it.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 15 Oct, 2014 07:35 am
Again. Oralboy is not standing up against anti-Semitism. He is spreading lies about and vilifying the Palestinians legitimate right to self govern. He has been given the opportunity to stand up against anti-Semitism, but has not acted. Once can only assume he's quite happy with Holocaust denial, and his motives are based on his hatred, hatred of all Moslems, Italians, Russians, British etc. etc.
http://able2know.org/topic/256530-10#post-5788907
Such a loathsome piece of putrescence is incapable of feeling, let alone expressing, positive emotions.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 15 Oct, 2014 07:42 am
@Lustig Andrei,
They didn't apply that rather strange concept to the art and properties looted by the Nazis, did they?
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 15 Oct, 2014 07:49 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
They didn't apply that rather strange concept to the art and properties looted by the Nazis, did they?

Indeed.

This is the first time I've ever seen you be fair on this issue. Bravo!
Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 15 Oct, 2014 04:09 pm
@oralloy,
I'm always fair on this subject, Usato. You just fail to understand it...
 

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