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George Galloway Full of Crap When He Says Jews have no right to be in Palestine

 
 
ehBeth
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jul, 2014 09:36 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

Like I said earlier, Foofie, you make a better argument for what I have been trying to say than I do.

YOU, and your kind of thinking...are part of the problem for Jews.

In any case, the Arabs of that area have as much right to not want the state of Israel there...as the Jews have of wanting it there.

But you are wrong in that if you do.


you sure are presenting a lot of opinions as facts
revelette2
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jul, 2014 10:03 am
@ehBeth,
Which opinion would qualify for which of two, opinion or fact? Just curious.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jul, 2014 11:40 am
@Foofie,
Foofie wrote:

You have made your point, and re-made it. It doesn't matter whether your point is anti-Semitic or not. Anti-Semitism is just part of the culture. Sort of like anti-Catholicism was once part of the culture. However, under the surface, in my opinion, there is still anti-Catholicism. And, even when everyone goes to a Seder at his/her Jewish friend's home, there will still be anti-Semitism under the surface. My point is Jewish culture is just different enough to make many people uncomfortable with Jews, so Israel as a Christmas present of sorts to all the Orthodox Jews, as a small compensation for the murderous Nazis, and the non-caring European masses, is the best that could be done after WWII.

But, as an American Catholic you might have a different perspective.


If I were an American Catholic, I might.

I am not and American Catholic, and I still have a different perspective.






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Now please end this silliness. I have my opinion, and you have yours.


End it, if you want. Just stop posting. Don't tell me I have to do so.

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P.S.: Perhaps, you should blame ancestors for kicking Jews out of Jerusalem two thousand years ago. Without that historical fact, Jews would never have left. No Ashkenazim. No Sephardim. No posts from Frank Apisa on a topic he has great insight into (sarcastically speaking, in my opinion).


Whatever floats your boat, Foofie. I am not "blaming" anyone...I am merely suggesting that the "blame" (if there is any) might be a hell of a lot more wide-spread than you seem willing to acknowledge.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jul, 2014 12:48 pm
@Foofie,
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Good luck in your brilliance.

And good luck with yours. You've been harping on Jewish superiority over gentiles for a while now... And I agree the Ashkenazi (since we are talking about them; thanks for making the distinction with the Sephardi) can be smart. I doubt it's genetic... It's more likely because they attach a strong cultural value to study. This is especially true when it comes to science and technique. Where in my view their culture is lacking (and I agree with Frank here) is in emotional intelligence and congeniality.

I'm not the sharpest one on that front myself but look at you: you just insulted repeatedly the ones among us you identify as gentiles.

The capacity to suffer others, and even to like them, and to help them once in a while, at the very least nto treat them with respect, is important. We all live on the same planet, so unless you guys want to colonize Mars, you'll have to learn to live with non-Jews. And that takes more respect than you're showing.
Foofie
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jul, 2014 04:14 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

Like I said earlier, Foofie, you make a better argument for what I have been trying to say than I do.

YOU, and your kind of thinking...are part of the problem for Jews.

In any case, the Arabs of that area have as much right to not want the state of Israel there...as the Jews have of wanting it there.

But you are wrong in that if you do.


you sure are presenting a lot of opinions as facts


In my opinion, he is also giving credence to people of a Catholic background that have been inculcated to think of Jews as expendable. Move them here, or move them there; they're just Jews, to be deferent to the world's "power" Gentiles (aka, whites of European descent).
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Foofie
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jul, 2014 04:24 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

I am not and American Catholic, and I still have a different perspective.[/b]



But, you are not a Protestant that might have some religious value for a Zionist State. Catholicism is a religion, and a culture. You might not subscribe to Catholicism as a religion, but you appear, in my opinion, to reflect Catholicism as a culture.

It's the arrogance, in my opinion, to tell people that an existing country should be moved. So, you seem, in my opinion, to have the Catholic belief of thinking it is acceptable that Jews should not have an authentic homeland, just some land that they "purchased" somewhere. And, prior to John XXlll, that was Catholic theology (for rejecting Christ, Jews should roam the Earth, until the end of time).

If you do not consider yourself Catholic, you must be of Italian descent (based on your name). And, that gets me back to the Romans that had the superiority complex that they projected onto Jews, after they became Christians.
Foofie
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jul, 2014 04:33 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

I'm not the sharpest one on that front myself but look at you: you just insulted repeatedly the ones among us you identify as gentiles.

The capacity to suffer others, and even to like them, and to help them once in a while, at the very least nto treat them with respect, is important. We all live on the same planet, so unless you guys want to colonize Mars, you'll have to learn to live with non-Jews. And that takes more respect than you're showing.


You are not quite right. I care about Americans, and somewhat lesser, all English speaking peoples. I try very hard not to get all choked up when tragedy befalls others. It's just too depressing to resonate with all the ills of the world. That job is for Catholics. I was born into a Jewish family (not so Jewish anymore, due to intermarriage), and if I had my druthers, I would have been born into an American Methodist family, since I find them very high on the American identity scale. Meaning no hyphens in their identity, just American. Then I could care for other Methodists, and Protestants. Just too much hateful history with Catholicism in Europe. I don't act out, I just avoid those I find unqualified (aka, didn't earn) for my concern..
Foofie
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jul, 2014 04:44 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

You've been harping on Jewish superiority over gentiles for a while now...


Au contraire. I've been harping on the Jewish culture not pandering to every neer-to-well Gentile that needs his/her ruffled feathers smoothed, because they want a Jew to be as friendly to them as anyone else might be. Many Jews, in my opinion, are as class conscious as upper class WASP's, and therefore are only "superior" (in intelligence) to those they might be forced to live amongst, since upper class Gentiles like to put themselves in a cacoon of other upper class Gentiles. Jews often get to live with those that might have enough money to buy a home, etc., but think of certain pursuits (i.e., reading for pleasure, intellectualism, higher education) as a waste of time for them. Well, a Jewish neighbor might then find it difficult to relate to other preferences?

Anyway, if upper-class Gentiles are as clannish as those that initiated the word's meaning, why the double standard? Jews cannot be clannish? Show me an ethnic group or religion that is not clannish.

And Jews, in my opinion, are not a priori superior. They might be very picky as to who they like.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jul, 2014 06:30 pm
@Foofie,
Foofie wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

I am not and American Catholic, and I still have a different perspective.[/b]



But, you are not a Protestant that might have some religious value for a Zionist State. Catholicism is a religion, and a culture. You might not subscribe to Catholicism as a religion, but you appear, in my opinion, to reflect Catholicism as a culture.

It's the arrogance, in my opinion, to tell people that an existing country should be moved. So, you seem, in my opinion, to have the Catholic belief of thinking it is acceptable that Jews should not have an authentic homeland, just some land that they "purchased" somewhere. And, prior to John XXlll, that was Catholic theology (for rejecting Christ, Jews should roam the Earth, until the end of time).

If you do not consider yourself Catholic, you must be of Italian descent (based on your name). And, that gets me back to the Romans that had the superiority complex that they projected onto Jews, after they became Christians.


Okay...let Israel continue to exist where it is...and I suspect most Israelis will never, ever know real peace.

The good part is, though, that you will have lots of almost defenseless Arabs to slaughter.
revelette2
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jul, 2014 08:43 am
@Foofie,
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But, you are not a Protestant that might have some religious value for a Zionist State. Catholicism is a religion, and a culture. You might not subscribe to Catholicism as a religion, but you appear, in my opinion, to reflect Catholicism as a culture


You have the oddest ideas. Some people don't believe in any kind of religion, would they reflect the Catholic as a culture as well because they don't place a religious value for a Zionist State, as you put it? Nonsense. I have gone to the Church of Christ all my life, we don't place a religious value for a Zionist state, I guess we must be Catholics, we just didn't know it.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jul, 2014 09:02 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

The good part is, though, that you will have lots of almost defenseless Arabs to slaughter. [/b]


Well, that a false accusation. I have nothing against Arabs per se. I look upon them as prototype Jews. I still carry much identical DNA.

Please stop showing off your Goyisha kup.
revelette2
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jul, 2014 10:06 am
Death toll tops 500http://newsbcpcol.stb.s-msn.com/amnews/i/4d/35f5499eef6beb5f3cd43b0f21ca2/_h512_w909_m6_otrue_lfalse.jpg

Overkill in my opinion as usual for Israel.
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jul, 2014 10:09 am
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:
Overkill in my opinion as usual for Israel.

Jews have the right to defend themselves from people who try to murder them.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jul, 2014 11:25 am
@Foofie,
Foofie wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

The good part is, though, that you will have lots of almost defenseless Arabs to slaughter. [/b]


Well, that a false accusation. I have nothing against Arabs per se. I look upon them as prototype Jews. I still carry much identical DNA.

Please stop showing off your Goyisha kup.


Yeah. Try explaining that to the Arabs being killed and maimed.

You are oblivious to what is actually happening, Foofie.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jul, 2014 11:45 am
@Frank Apisa,
He's not oblivious, he's indifferent to the fates of those whose lives he places no value upon.
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neologist
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jul, 2014 02:11 pm
It's certainly understandable that the Jews would hope to be restored to their anscestral homeland. But it should be noted that, at least in part, the impetus provided by Anglo American support is rooted in the unscriptural belief that natural Jews must inhabit Jerusalem for the prophecies of Revelation to take place. Please note that the word 'Armageddon' refers to 'Har Mageddon', literally "the plains of Megiddo", a singularly strategic location for ancient Israel. The idea that this phrase might have a symbolic fulfillment seems to have completely escaped the sensibilities of nominal christians.

Well, it's been done. Jews were returned without anything more than lip service paid to those peoples inhabiting the land for centuries. And now we have, instead of Armageddon, slaughter of a different sort. When the real Armageddon finally stands up, it will be those nominal christians who will be first in line to be called to account. See Revelation, ch 17 and 18.
Moment-in-Time
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jul, 2014 03:17 pm
@revelette2,
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Which opinion would qualify for which of two, opinion or fact? Just curious.


Ah, my interest is whetted also, Rev. Reading Frank Apisa's post he's merely posting his opinions, as we all do. No where has he uttered the words what he's writing is "fact" with confirmation to support his words.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jul, 2014 03:51 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:
It's certainly understandable that the Jews would hope to be restored to their anscestral homeland.

The simplistic idea that "the Jews" have an ancestral homeland in Palestine is a part of Zionist ideology that's based on religious mythology. The Jewish religion began in Palestine, "the Jews" have origins in the various parts of the world where they live. The Ashkenazim, the Jews that came up with Zionism, are a European people.
neologist
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jul, 2014 04:15 pm
@InfraBlue,
neologist wrote:
It's certainly understandable that the Jews would hope to be restored to their anscestral homeland.
InfraBlue wrote:
The simplistic idea that "the Jews" have an ancestral homeland in Palestine is a part of Zionist ideology that's based on religious mythology. The Jewish religion began in Palestine, "the Jews" have origins in the various parts of the world where they live. The Ashkenazim, the Jews that came up with Zionism, are a European people.
Well flip my flapjacks, Blue. I could have sworn they were clustered about Jerusalem until about 1900+/- years ago.

The destruction of the temple in 70 CE changed things in a big way.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jul, 2014 05:11 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier, I don't agree with you often but the idea of sending Netanyahu and his accomplices to Mars is genius. I think they would be happy to have their very own planet and no pals to bother them. Im sure they could find a passage in the Tora that would justify it.
 

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