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The Be-heading was staged?

 
 
Acquiunk
 
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Reply Fri 14 May, 2004 02:01 pm
As the New York Time editorial posted above noted:

"The occupation authority needs to stop passing off those questions to the Iraqi police force, which does not exist other than as an agent of American power".

The CNN article smells of "plausible denial"
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Sat 15 May, 2004 10:15 am
read this
If you think the beheading was staged, wait until you read the following.
---BBB

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=692852#692852
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Sun 16 May, 2004 10:45 am
Mosul Police Chief Denies Detaining Slain American Berg
Mosul Police Chief Denies Detaining Slain American Nicholas Berg
The Associated Press
MOSUL, Iraq May 13, 2004

Iraqi police never detained an American whose decapitated body was found last week in Baghdad, the police chief said Thursday, despite U.S. insistence that Nicholas Berg was held by local authorities here shortly before he disappeared last month.

Berg's family blames American authorities for detaining the 26-year-old telecommunications businessman until a flare-up of anti-American violence, which set the stage for his abduction and death.

The young man was beheaded on a video posted Tuesday on an al-Qaida-affiliated Web site. It bore the title "Abu Musab al-Zarqawi shown slaughtering an American," referring to an associate of Osama bin Laden believed behind a wave of suicide bombings in Iraq.

In Baghdad, U.S. officials said Iraqi police arrested Berg in Mosul on March 24 because local authorities believed he may have been involved in "suspicious activities." He would not elaborate but insisted American authorities had not held Berg although the FBI visited him three times before he was released April 6.

However, police chief Maj. Gen. Mohammed Khair al-Barhawi told reporters Thursday that his department had never arrested Berg.

"The Iraqi police never arrested the slain American," he said. "Take it from me ... that such reports are baseless."

Berg went to Baghdad after his release and disappeared April 10. U.S. officials offered him a flight to Jordan but he was afraid to travel to the airport because of ambushes along the highway.

Despite the police chief's statement, a U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Berg was detained by Iraqi authorities "for his own protection" because his behavior in Mosul seemed unusual for a westerner.

He had been seen traveling in taxis and moving about the dangerous city without any escort, the official said. He added that Berg, who was Jewish, had written materials which were "anti-Semitic" in tone, the official said without elaborating.

All that raised suspicions about what he was doing in Iraq.
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pistoff
 
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Reply Sun 16 May, 2004 05:22 pm
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Posted by: stu at May 14, 2004 01:05 PM

Check out the video timestamp timeline:

13:26 - Berg states his and his father's name. Seated in plastic patio chair in orange jumpsuit. Shot taken from a side angle.

2:18 - Seated in same chair, same jumpsuit, shot taken from the front. Berg identifies his family and where he lives.

2:40 - Berg is seated quietly on the floor in front of five masked men. All the men seem very well fed and the exposed skin rather pale for a bunch of islamic terrorists on the run. The middle guy appears to be reading from two pages of prepared text, although he is continually turning the pages over and over and over, his actions making it completely impossible for anyone to read anything from those papers. The video is too grainy to tell if the guy's mouth is moving.

2:44 - The shot angle has not changed - the middle guy is still 'reading' from his papers. Wild screaming starts on the soundtrack, but none of the masked men seem to notice it, and Berg is still sitting very quietly in front of them. He has not moved at all during these four minutes.

2:45 - the middle guy draws a knife from his jacket, pushes Berg over, and the camera suddenly zooms into such a tight closeup that the screen goes black. The timestamp abruptly changes here.

13:45 - the camera pulls back to reveal Berg utterly motionless, being manhandled by the attackers. An assailant with a black mask draws the knife across the throat, while an assailant with a white mask sits on the motionless body. The soundtrack has several people shouting "allahu akbar", but the opinion of native Iraqi speakers who have heard it is that the accents are NOT Iraqui, more likely arabic or arabic as second language.

13:46 - screaming escalates on the soundtrack yet the windpipe has quite clearly already been completely severed by the knife-weilding assailant with the Black Mask, the head being connected only by the spine. No screaming is physically possible at that point, yet it mysteriously continues, much the way it started. White Mask assailant still stitting on the motionless body, doing nothing.

13:47 - There is another in/out camera zoom and suddenly it is the White Mask assailant, not the Black Mask one, that steps away from the body, knife in hand, holding the head aloft. No blood anywhere. At this point, the timestamp and the camera angle abruptly change again.

2:41 - Berg's head held aloft by White Mask, different angle, no blood. Curious - what day is this? As previously noted, during the 2:40 through 2:44 period, Berg could be seen alive, seated quietly in front of his captors as they 'read' their statement.

13:48 - timestamp and shot abruptly change again. Now we get shot of head resting on top of the prone body, with a zoom on the body's severed neck. Everything is very clean, completely inconsistent with the forensic reality of decapitation.

*By next week this event will go down the memory hole . Bushco used it for their purpose and the majority of American people believe the "official" story.
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greenumbrella
 
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Reply Mon 17 May, 2004 07:27 am
Denials, distancing and lies. Meanwhile, the parents and family members of this young man must bury their beheaded son. How very sad this entire story remains.
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JoanneDorel
 
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Reply Mon 17 May, 2004 10:24 am
You are so right the parents will never get over this and the hunt to find and kill the perps will not suffice. Revenge will not help I just hope that they keep their law suit against the US alive. It is my opinion that this guy was undercover CIA.

Welcome to A2k greenumbrella. Great quote from a great writer.
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JimmyK
 
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Reply Mon 17 May, 2004 12:45 pm
Greetings;


I appreciate finding a place where folks do not fear asking questions.

One that has stood out in my mind is the white chair.

http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL67/899112/1645807/53677988.jpg

The above is one of the prision abuse photos.

Below is Mr. Berg.

http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL67/899112/1645807/53947117.jpg


Yea, you are probably right. Just another coincidence.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Mon 17 May, 2004 12:52 pm
Yes, anyone can pick those up at any Iraqi Home Depot.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Mon 17 May, 2004 01:48 pm
Berg detained with FBI support
Berg detained with FBI support
Friday May 14, 2004 06:42 - (SA)

MOSUL, Iraq - Nick Berg, the US hostage shown being beheaded by Islamic radicals, was held for two weeks in Iraq at the FBI's request for travelling without documents while his identity was checked, a US general said.

"Berg was in Mosul. He was travelling alone. The Iraqi police found him without any documentation. Iraqi police were suspicious and took him into custody," Brigadier General Carter Ham, who heads the Olympia Task Force, said in this northern Iraqi city.

"FBI asked (police) to keep him until they knew who he is," Ham told journalists.

Coalition officials said on Wednesday the US Federal Bureau of Investigation had eventually established Berg was not involved in any "criminal or terrorist" activities.

He was eventually released "at the request of the State Department represented by the Coalition Provisional Authority," Ham said.

Berg, a 26-year-old businessman from Pennsylvania, was held in Mosul, 370 kilometers (230 miles) north of Baghdad, from March 25 to April 8, Ham said. On Wednesday, coalition spokesman Dan Senor said he was arrested on March 24 and freed April 6, after being seen three times by FBI agents.

"We know he was well treated by the police," said Ham.

He said US soldiers and a US State Department representative checked on Berg's condition while he was held by police.

"He was strongly encouraged and offered opportunity to leave the country. There was an offer to help him to leave," the general said.

"He was alone, an American travelling without security, without documentation."

Earlier this week, an Islamic website posted a video showing Berg being beheaded, ostensibly in retaliation for the ill-treatment of Iraqi prisoners in US custody. Berg's family said he was freed after his parents filed suit in federal court in Philadelphia, contending that he was being illegally held by the US military.

He immediately contacted his parents, but after a final phone call on April 9, communication ended completely and they never heard from him again.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Mon 17 May, 2004 01:51 pm
BERG MET WITH SHADY IRAQI
Posted on Mon, May. 17, 2004
BERG MET WITH SHADY IRAQI
By WILLIAM BUNCH
[email protected]

There's another strange new twist to the saga of Nick Berg and his final days of Iraq before his savage videotaped beheading.

Berg teamed up in Baghdad with an ex-Philadelphia man who led a controversial group of Iraqi expatriates encouraged by the U.S. government - even as he faced deportation for his role in Russian-emigre crime ring selling millions of vials used for crack.

Aziz Kadoory Aziz, also known as Aziz al-Taee, hooked up earlier this year with the 26-year-old West Chester man to start a small company called Shirikat Abraj Babil, or Babylon Towers Co., that would install, inspect and repair telecommunications and utility towers.

In interviews with several news organizations in Baghdad, Aziz claimed he may have been the last friend to speak with Berg before his kidnapping and beheading by terrorists possibly linked to the al Qaeda network. The radio-tower contractor had come back to Baghdad after a 13-day detainment in Mosul, only to disappear again on April 10.

Aziz said that on April 10 Berg "surprised me by calling me at 9 or 10, to say that he found some friend to travel with to Jordan." Berg said he was en route, but Aziz doesn't know who he was with or what kind of vehicle they were driving. "He said they were nice people. I told him to have a nice trip."

After living in Philadelphia for two decades, Aziz arrived in Baghdad sometime last year. A friend said he left for Iraq before the government moved on the deportation case.

Here in America, Aziz was the highly visible spokesman for a group he'd founded called the Iraqi American Council and appeared frequently on major media outlets like Fox News Channel calling for the military ouster of Saddam Hussein.

Aziz' outfront role also included speaking at pre-war, pro-troop rallies. It continued even after it was reported the inner-city electronic entrepreneur had pleaded guilty in the crack-vial case in 1994 and later had legal run-ins involving stolen computers and bootlegged CDs.

His partnership with Berg deepens the web of intrigue surrounding Berg's time in Iraq, his detainment by U.S.-backed authorities, his disapperance and his videotaped beheading by masked thugs claiming revenge for the Abu Ghraib prisoner torture.

Before traveling to Iraq twice this year, Berg had been investigated by the FBI because in 1999 - while at the University of Oklahoma - an associate of jailed Sept. 11 suspect Zacarias Moussaoui had obtained Berg's e-mail password.

Attorney General John Ashcroft said Berg was cleared in that probe, but the apparent coincidence may have prolonged the Mosul detainment of Berg, who was interviewed three times by FBI agents before he was released on April 6.

Officials have told the Daily News that Berg also aroused suspicion because he was an unescorted American carrying a copy of the Koran and what they called "anti-Semitic" literature. Berg, who is Jewish, also told friends that his passport contained an Israel visitor's stamp.

Now, add the name of Aziz K. Aziz to Berg's strange Iraqi odyssey. Efforts to contact Aziz in Baghdad by phone and e-mail over the weekend were unsuccessful.

Aziz told the Associated Press that Berg had contacted him by e-mail sometime after attending a two-day conference in Virginia on business opportunities in Iraq last December. Aziz agreed to give him some space in an office he had in Baghdad to form a partnership seeking communications work.

Berg refers to Aziz in an e-mail to friends on Jan. 18. "I've found a fairly competent and reliable office manager," he wrote. "He's actually been living in Philadelphia the last 20 years and just came back - so he's similarly out of his element."

Berg's first efforts to win radio-tower repair work were unsuccessful, and he was robbed on the streets of Baghdad.

"I was always pressuring him to keep a low profile, but he ignored all my caution and advice," Aziz said. "Berg kept a high profile, wandering around late at night or took public transport. Sometimes he got upset, looked at me in such a way, or said, 'You're not my dad' or 'I'm an adult, I can make my own decision." "

Aziz said that Berg left his equipment with him during a short trip back to the U.S. When he came back, the two spent an hour climbing tall buildings at Abu Ghraib, site of the infamous prison. Aziz said they re-recorded measurements that were in his stolen notebook.

The next day, Aziz said, Berg called to say that he was going to the northern city of Mosul, where the brother of Berg's uncle lives. "He invited me to go with him, but I declined because it was dangerous," said Aziz.

It's not known whether Aziz ever told Berg of his controversial past.

In 1993, about a decade after fleeing Saddam's Iraq for America, Aziz was in the electronics business when he was one of 25 people charged with distributing some 100 million crack vials on the East Coat. Prosecutors said that Aziz, who lived in Northeast Philadelphia, was tied to a network run by a Soviet immigrant named Valery Sigal. Most in the ring were immigrants from Russia or the former Eastern Bloc.

Aziz claimed he didn't know the vials were going to drug dealers. but he pled guilty. He was sentenced to three years of probation, fined $3,000, and forced to forfeit $17,673 in profits.

He was arrested again in May 2001, on charges that the chain of electronics stores he owns in Philadelphia was selling counterfeited compact discs. A judge dismissed that case for lack of evidence last March. The Inquirer also reported he received probation in a 1997 case for selling stolen computers to undercover cops. Current records show he owns a cell-phone firm called Page One Communications with a number of outlets in Philadelphia.

Aziz went by several names in Philadelphia. Sometimes called "Joe Aziz," he started calling himself Aziz al-Taee in the late 1990s, around the time he formed the Iraqi American Council. He said al-Taee was his tribal name and - in speaking out against Saddam - he was worried about relatives in Baghdad.

The group has an address in Washington's Virginia suburbs and a national board of directors, but there were differing claims of how many members or how much clout the group really had.

In December 2002, another key member of the Iraqi American Council - a California engineer named Bassam Ridha Al-Hulsaini - was reportedly one of 15 Iraqis flown to Washington by the State Department for two days of "media training" under a project known as Future of Iraq. A couple of months later, al-Hulsaini addressed a "pro-troops" rally in San Francisco, declaring that "The Iraq people are waiting for this liberation."

It's not clear whether Aziz received "media training," but the handsome, nattily dressed ex-pat, now 40, probably didn't need it. He addressed similar rallies in Valley Forge, St. Louis and Washington, where he claimed Hussein's henchmen killed both his cousin and brother-in-law. The rallies were launched by Clear Channel syndicated talk-radio host Glenn Beck, and the media giant sponsored many of them.

A friend and fellow council member - Ahmad Kuba of Florida - said yesterday that Aziz left for Baghdad last summer, before any deportation proceedings began.

"There are no cell phones in Iraq," Aziz told a reporter in May 2003. "That's the way to the future."

Now, Aziz is now getting publicity for monitoring the final cell-phone calls of his slain partner. He said this weekend he understands Berg's phone was used as recently as April 19, and that three calls were made that day to Jordan, to the United Arab Emirates and to a local number.

"He could still have been alive."
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The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 17 May, 2004 01:51 pm
JimmyK wrote:
Greetings;


I appreciate finding a place where folks do not fear asking questions.

One that has stood out in my mind is the white chair.

http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL67/899112/1645807/53677988.jpg

The above is one of the prision abuse photos.

Below is Mr. Berg.

http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL67/899112/1645807/53947117.jpg


Yea, you are probably right. Just another coincidence.


If you look VERY closely at the top picture, you will notice that each "guard" also has 2 legs. Just like the killers on the video tape!!
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kickycan
 
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Reply Mon 17 May, 2004 01:59 pm
Good one, McG. Laughing
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Mon 17 May, 2004 02:04 pm
And they are sans the hoods! What on Earth happened to the hoods? We know they had hoods.
Oh, well, I have what looks like those same chairs stacked up in my garage as extra seating for patio parties. You don't suppose...
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 17 May, 2004 02:06 pm
Too late LW, I've already called the hotline...
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Mon 17 May, 2004 02:06 pm
I have discovered the missing blood. the work of Allah no doubt, although like the work of all deities, unfathomable to all but those directly in touch with God. McGentrix, perhaps you can help.

http://www.wowt.com/home/headlines/775272.html
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Deecups36
 
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Reply Mon 17 May, 2004 02:11 pm
Oh Bi-Polar Bear, you are so funny! You have a talent for bitchslapping people without them even realizing they're on the floor!
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 17 May, 2004 02:12 pm
Why would I be able to help? I have no connection with any gods.

Kind of a long stretch just to "get" me though...
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JimmyK
 
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Reply Mon 17 May, 2004 02:17 pm
McGentrix wrote:
JimmyK wrote:
Greetings;


I appreciate finding a place where folks do not fear asking questions.

One that has stood out in my mind is the white chair.

http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL67/899112/1645807/53677988.jpg

The above is one of the prision abuse photos.

Below is Mr. Berg.

http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL67/899112/1645807/53947117.jpg


Yea, you are probably right. Just another coincidence.


If you look VERY closely at the top picture, you will notice that each "guard" also has 2 legs. Just like the killers on the video tape!!



Ya know, I think you have made another important point. Abu Musab al-Zarqawi is missing a leg. Laughing
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 17 May, 2004 02:20 pm
Deecups36 wrote:
Oh Bi-Polar Bear, you are so funny! You have a talent for bitchslapping people without them even realizing they're on the floor!


I am sure you know all about getting "bitchslapped"...
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Deecups36
 
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Reply Mon 17 May, 2004 02:21 pm
hi JimmyK:

Welcome to able2know!

I think the person labeled no.#4 is intriguing. He or she appears to be wearing wedgies!

How bizarre is that?
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