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Bergdahl Prisoner Swap:Obama Obeys ONLY the Laws He Wants To.

 
 
coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2014 12:09 pm
@Baldimo,
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This isn't a right wing reaction.


They have to blame someone. Obama is never held responsible for his actions. It seems this soldier should not be either.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2014 12:14 pm
@coldjoint,
Robert Gates says that Obama did not believe in his own Afghanistan policy, The Professor really cant get down on soldiers who agree with him.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2014 12:16 pm
@hawkeye10,
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Robert Gates


Gates resigned(or was forced out) because Obama would not listen to him or military leaders.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2014 12:27 pm
@coldjoint,
Gates left because he long ago got sick of the idiots who run washington, both R's and the D's. He is currently telling a joke that the neck brace he was wearing earlier this year from a fall on ice was the result of his wife whacking him when he brought up maybe taking another washington job.

OBAMA's blatant lack of respect for his military commanders, to include his idiot white house staff trying to micro-manage the miltary which they know next to nothing about, came a bit further down the list.
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Moment-in-Time
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2014 12:29 pm
@revelette2,
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I guess his family while no doubt having good intentions are harming him by these statements and leaking his notes to the press which now used against him.


Bergdahl's parents are emotionally vulnerable, now and for the past five years; they have been in a nightmare scenario wondering if their son were alive or dead....But then again, Rev, you don't need me to say talking is one form of therapy....it relieves so much inner tension. What these emotionally strained parents do under stress should not be held against then, imo.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2014 12:47 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
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Bergdahl's parents are emotionally vulnerable


Who cares? Their son is back. 5 killers are the issue. Afghans are terrified that these 5 were released. Bergdahls parents are not facing( or ever faced) more Taliban attacks.

You are clearly trying to change the fact Obama did a stupid, stupid thing approved by no one but his staff. And it is treason to aid the enemy and that is what he has done.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2014 01:21 pm
You do not leave a man in uniform behind. Obama traded five. Bush traded 500.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2014 01:33 pm
@revelette2,
You'll need to ask Rolling Stone. They reported on the e-mail he is said to have sent to his parents. It's possible that the parents contacted Rolling Stone hoping that they would be sympathetic to their son's plight and agreed to share with them his correspondence. That's admittedly just speculation though.

The frequency with which straw men are being raised in this thread is amazing.

With rare exception, the people who are criticizing the White House for this deal and who believe that Bergdahl deserted are not suggesting that it would have been better if he were left to rot in Taliban captivity or that he shouldn't get a fair trial. Contrary to not wanting him tried there is concern that he won't be tried; that any continued investigation will be White House Washed.

I don't know that Mr. Bellinger has broken with Republicans as much as he apparently doesn't agree with some Republicans, and that's perfectly fine.

For reasons I have already presented, I take issue with his conclusion that the US would have had to release the prisoners because the war in Afghanistan was "winding down." I do however agree that they would not have been tried in a US court.

I don't know what the point was of "stressing" that 500 detainees were released when Bush was president unless someone is arguing that it was illegal for Obama to release these five. If one wants to make an argument that people who are asserting that no detainees should have been released under Obama, were OK with releases under Bush are revealing their partisan stripes, that's fine too, however I would appreciate someone identifying those who are making such an assertion. In any case, while I don't necessarily think Bellinger was, suggesting that everyone who has a problem with this deal was fine and dandy with the detainee releases under Bush is a step too far.

Cheney indicating that he would not have approved this deal is not immediately shot down because he was Vice President when 500 detainees were released under Bush. I would agree that Cheney is inclined to find everything Obama does as a failing, but even that doesn't necessarily undermine the integrity of his comment on this deal. Regardless, someone saying they would not have approved this particular deal doesn't mean that they would have left Bergdahl to rot in the hands of the Taliban, unless you buy everything the White House been selling about how this was the absolutely last chance to have him released.

I don't think that Bellinger is taking a position that is dramatically different from other Republicans, but if he is, so what? The source of this article Think Progress certainly thinks its somehow significant and went so far as to mischaracterize what he said as "blasting" the GOP. Somehow I doubt Think Progress would find it particularly dispositive if a former Democrat advisor to President Clinton disagreed around the edges with the White House position.

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Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2014 01:43 pm
@edgarblythe,
Did Bush seek approval for the release of the 500? How high ranking were the people Bush released? You guys are using the same lame defense for this trade as you guys did for Fast and Furious. Bush did it too! So you can't be mad about Obama doing it.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2014 01:51 pm
@Baldimo,
You guys werent mad at Bush. Why are you mad at the Democrat?
revelette2
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2014 01:57 pm
@Baldimo,
I don't know about all them, that's an awful lot of them, but one of them is a suspect in the Benghazi attack.


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Indeed, government documents indicate more than 500 detainees were released or transferred from Guantanamo while George W. Bush was president. A White House executive order issued on the second day of Obama’s presidency said, ” The federal government has moved more than 500 such detainees from Guantánamo, either by returning them to their home country or by releasing or transferring them to a third country.”

That’s backed up by a fact sheet from the military task force that runs the detention camp, which says 520 detainees had been released or transferred by March 2009.

One of the detainees is suspected in the Benghazi attack.



U.S. officials suspect that a former Guantanamo Bay detainee played a role in the attack on the American diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya, and are planning to designate the group he leads as a foreign terrorist organization, according to officials familiar with the plans.

Militiamen under the command of Abu Sufian bin Qumu, the leader of Ansar al-Sharia in the Libyan city of Darnah, participated in the attack that killed U.S. Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens and three other Americans, U.S. officials said…

In 2007, Qumu was released from the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and sent to Libya, where he was detained. The Libyan government released him in 2008.


link embedded at the source
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2014 02:08 pm
@edgarblythe,
It comes down to who was released and was Congress notified of each of the releases. It appears that the 5 released by Obama were not vetted by Congress. Can the same be said of Bush? If the answer is yes, then he did the same stupid move that Obama did and should receive the same level of criticism. The only problem with this is that Bush is no longer in office and hasn't been for 5 years. Obama is the head honcho so his actions are what matters now. We have had too much turn-about by the left. Any criticism of Obama is covered up with cries of Bush doing the same thing. I have said it once and I will say it again. It isn't the job of the sitting party to criticize their own president. It is the job of the opposite party. Have the Dems been upset at Obama for the same things they were upset at Bush for? Use of drones in Pakistan comes to mind. The left was up in arms about the use of drones. Code pink pretested heavly the use of drones. Obama came into office and the anit-war folks shut their mouths. Obama used drones much more then Bush did, but the left hasn't spoken a peep about drone use by Obama.

Of the 500+ released by Bush, were any of them high ranking leaders? These are going to be the differences between what Bush and Obama did.

I'm more perplexed by Bergdahl and his disappearance from his Army unit. The fact he walked away and was taken is suspect. His current health is also in question. We haven't heard what was wrong with him other than his health was dire. Since his release it has been mentioned that he is in stable condition. Was his health really in question?
revelette2
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2014 02:15 pm
@Baldimo,
Actually quite a bit of the "left" protest the use of drones, loudly. The problem is the other guy will use them too. When you vote, you got to go with whoever you most agree with even though you don't agree with everything.

I really had no opinion on drones, then or now.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2014 02:17 pm
@edgarblythe,
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Bush traded 500.


For what?For who?
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2014 02:25 pm
@revelette2,
When? It isn't shown on the news. When was the last media coverage of an anti-war protest? When was the last anti-war protest?

Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2014 02:25 pm
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:

You guys seem to live to see conspiracy theories and cover ups behind every corner, by all means, have some more hearings. We got nothing better to spend our tax money on.


That's rich. So never trust government when a Republican is in the White House, but believe everything said when it's a Democrat?

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The former Bush advisor said the particular Taliban members who were picked (because they were the ones chosen by the Taliban) did not commit crimes against Americans.


No he did not. Go back and reread the article.

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In other words, they were not AQ or terrorist but leaders of the Taliban who were governing at the time we invaded.


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White House National Security Council spokesperson Caitlin Hayden noted that the Taliban was added to the list of Specially Designated Global Terrorists (SDGT) by executive order in July 2002, even if it is not listed as a Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) by the State Department. Either designation triggers asset freezes, according to the State Department, though they can differ on other restrictions imposed on the target organization. The Treasury Department told ABC News the Taliban is still on their SDGT list.


source

The Taliban was running Afghanistan on September 11, 2001. They provided al-Qaeda a safe haven from which to plan and launch their attacks against us. They certainly were at the very least sympathetic to al-Qaeda and all of these five detainees held leadership position in the Taliban and had ties to al-Qaeda. The Taliban was offered the opportunity to turn over al-Qaeda to US forces and Mullah Omar refused thus leading to the war in Afghanistan. The Taliban no longer runs Afghanistan, they are part of an insurgency against a democratically elected Afghani government. This is not a war between two states.

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In 2009 the Obama administration did do away with the term "enemy combatant" looked it up on Wikipedia, however, I am not sure how that changed the status of prisoners so I won't go into that. My point is that I have read from several sources that most of the Taliban will be released at the war which will end by the year 2016, the combat phase by the end of this year.


I would appreciate a link to your source because I can't find it and I don't believe it is entirely accurate, however we have beat this horse to death and I'm fine with leaving it with the comments I've already made.

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Perhaps Susan Rice messed up by saying honorably, I don't know. Perhaps up until he might have deserted, (he has not been officially charged) he could have served honorably while still having those expressed sentiments.


It wasn't a gaffe it was furthering the narrative intended to burnish the president's image with Veterans.

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Look it at this way, Susan Rice along with Obama will soon be gone and I think America will survive and be in better shape than we was at the end of 2008.


A lot can happen in another two years.


Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2014 02:30 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
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Rev, thanks much for posting the info re GWB release of "500 detainees from Guantanamo."....Don't see how I missed that!! Wow! The level of hypocrisy that existed within the GWB administration is chilling....enough to make one's stomach churn.


How did you reach that conclusion by reading the linked article?

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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2014 02:41 pm
@woiyo,
How about the White House aides accusing the vets who have spoken out about Bergdahl of "Swiftboating?

How about Brandon Friedman, Deputy Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs at HUD who tweeted the following last night:

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Here's the thing about Bergdahl and the Jump-to-Conclusions mats: What if the platoon was long on psychopaths and short on leadership?


Friedman previously served as Director of Online Communications at the VA. He was also an infantry platoon leader and executive officer in the Army's 101st Airborne Division with combat tours in Iraq and Afghanistan between 2001 and 2004.

He's worried about Bergdahl being smeared but apparently didn't feel the psychos crack was a smear.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2014 02:45 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Gotta love how the left will attack those they don't agree with even if it is military. I have heard nothing for the last few days except how the right is hating on the military and how disrespectful it is to pick on Bergdahl. But those who truly served with honor are said to be "psychos" by the very left who was trying to defend a deserter. Talk about hypocrisy at it's finest.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2014 02:50 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
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Bergdahl's parents are emotionally vulnerable, now and for the past five years; they have been in a nightmare scenario wondering if their son were alive or dead.... What these emotionally strained parents do under stress should not be held against then, imo.


I tend to agree.

Not too happy with this tweet:

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I am still working to free all Guantanamo prisoners. God will repay for the death of every Afghan child, ameen!


But I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and figure it was part of his efforts to get his son home.

I would like to see him cut this crap, though, now that his son has been released.
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