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Is George Bush a fundamentalist christian?

 
 
septembri
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jun, 2004 12:00 am
I am sorry that we mist him being mentioned here since months.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jun, 2004 12:02 am
septembri wrote:
I am sorry that we mist him being mentioned here since months.


As far as I can see, you joined here at the 27th of May this year ..... under this name Laughing
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buffytheslayer
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jun, 2004 12:25 am
Is George Bush a fundamentalist christian?

Yessiree Bob. Perhaps when he meets with the Pope this week, in between naps, the Pope might can tell him the exact date The Rapture is Coming!
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septembri
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jun, 2004 12:46 am
I merely replicated the post-- The post said:


I am sorry that we mist him being mentioned here since months.
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jun, 2004 01:10 am
Lol, I posted this elswhere, but it's too funny to not post it again. Here is what some real Christians think of Bush (take note of the URL):

http://poweredbychrist.homestead.com/files/bush/rituals.htm
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jun, 2004 05:18 am
sheesh...some link!

Walter

Very funny indeed. I think in short order, we'll see septembri arguing about the relative values of the american and canadian dollars.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jun, 2004 05:28 am
blatham wrote:
I think in short order, we'll see septembri arguing about the relative values of the american and canadian dollars.


Laughing

I suppose so - at exactly the same responding times .... :wink:
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jun, 2004 08:58 am
Yes. Many of us are waiting eagerly for a sprited three-way debate between mporter, Italgato and septembri. And you know, thinking about it, I can't say for sure which of them would outdo the other two. I think it would be really close.
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BillW
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jun, 2004 09:12 am
buffytheslayer wrote:
Is George Bush a fundamentalist christian?

Yessiree Bob. Perhaps when he meets with the Pope this week, in between naps, the Pope might can tell him the exact date The Rapture is Coming!


I think it is the other way around - Bush is the one with inside knowledge and a pipeline Cool
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jun, 2004 10:40 am
Yes, Walter, Judge Posner is the smoking gun.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jun, 2004 10:42 am
Bush is more likely a member of one of the cults who are revisionist Christians, intepreting the Scriptures to fit their perspective. Of course, you can be both fundamentalist and revisionist as the Bible is filled with so much contradiction and plain fantasy.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jun, 2004 11:01 am
Isn't he Methodist? Not really a cult...
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jun, 2004 11:15 am
I was being facetious but it's a matter of opinion whether a religious faction is a sect or a cult. Examine the doctrines of a sect and one could come up with something that resembles an established, popular cult. Just playing with semantics, a popular sport on A2K as you know.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jun, 2004 11:17 am
(Someone can be a member of a Church but not exactly follow the doctrines having a cultish interpretation personal to themselves).
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BillW
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jun, 2004 12:17 pm
Methodist is a reformist, reformist, reformist movement - fundamentalism is the same in any religion, whether it be Christian, Catholic, Communist or Islamist.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jun, 2004 06:46 pm
At least the Methodist church here in the OC is reformist but there are other sects. It still leaves a guessing game as to what Bush's true religious beliefs really mean, especially in his politics. He's not that candid about it and in that way, he's been getting good advice. If he really believes God or Jesus has personally been watching over him and is in command of his destiny, he may not like what they have planned for November.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jun, 2004 07:10 pm
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jun, 2004 07:59 pm
For goodness sakes, fox

Quote:
"I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved--the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!"--John Adams in a letter to Thomas Jefferson

"But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legaends, hae been blended with both Jewish and Chiistian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed.--John Adams in a letter to F.A. Van der Kamp, Dec. 27, 1816, _2000_Years_of_Disbelief_, John A. Haught

"Lighthouses are more helpful than churches."--Benjamin Franklin, _Poor_Richard_, 1758

"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason."--Benjamin Franklin, _Poor_Richard_, 1758

"I cannot conceive otherwise than that He, the Infinite Father, expects or requires no worship or praise from us, but that He is even infinitely above it." -- Benjamin Franklin, _Articles_Of_Belief_and_Acts_of_Religion_, Nov.20, 1728

"Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are serviley crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God, because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blind faith." -- Thomas Jefferson

"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State."--Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist Association on Jan. 1, 1802, _The_Writings_of_Thomas_Jefferson_Memorial_Edition_, edited by Lipscomb and Bergh, 1903-04, 16:281

"The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."--Thomas Jefferson, _Notes_on_Virginia_, _Jefferson_the_President:_First_Term_1801-1805_, Dumas Malon, Boston: Little Brown and Company, 1970, p. 191

"I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition [Christianity] one redeeming feature. They are all alike, founded on fables and mythology."--Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Short, _Six_Historic_Americans_ by John E. Remsberg

"And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in showing that religion and Government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together."--James Madison in a letter to Edward Livingston in 1822

"I would not dare to so dishonor my Creator God by attaching His name to that book (the Bible)." -- Thomas Paine

"Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst."--Thomas Paine

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."--First Amendment to the U.S.A. Constitution

"One of the embarrassing problems for the early nineteenth-century champions of the Christian faith was that not one of the first six Presidents of the United States was an orthodox Christian."--The Encyclopedia Brittanica, 1968, p. 420
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mesquite
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jun, 2004 10:25 pm
That's a lot to digest,but I did recognize one well known (to people who study these things) phony Madison quote, and this one is even embellished with a phony source. Many of the quotes attributed to others seem completely out of character. If they are from the same source, their validity is in doubt. David Barton finally produced a list of quotations from his book that were either known false or in doubt. I do not have that list handy at the moment, but I believe I recognize a few in your list.

Foxfyre wrote:
We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We’ve staked the future of all our political institutions upon our capacity…to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God.” [1778 to the General Assembly of the State of Virginia]


Quote:
Phony James Madison Quotations
Popularized by David Barton of WallBuilders, Inc.

Complete Fabrication:
"We have staked the whole future of American civilization not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments."
--Complete Fabrication; sentiments not found in any known Madison writings and "inconsistent with everything we know about Madison's views on religion and government," say noted Madison historians

This is a complete fabrication that dates back to the 1950s. A variation of this fabrication -- and there are several -- was read into the Congressional Record by Representative Dannemeyer on October 7, 1992. Another variation was later read into the Congressional Record by Florida Representative Scarborough on March 5, 1997, in defense of Judge Roy Moore's practice of posting a condensed version of the Protestant variant of the first tables of stone rendition of the Hebrew Decalogue on his courtroom wall, in full view of the Jury Box containing what would otherwise have been an impartial jury. Scarborough used this fabrication long after David Barton, its most vehement proponent, had declared the alleged quotation "false" and had asked people to stop using it (see Rob Boston's 1996 article "Mything in Action: David Barton's 'Questionable Quotes'").

The fabrication appears on page 120 of David Barton's stunningly popular book The Myth of Separation. In the footnote, Barton cites:

"Harold K. Lane, Liberty! Cry Liberty! (Boston: Lamb and Lamb Tractarian Society, 1939) pp. 32-33. See also Fedrick Nyneyer, First Principles in Morality and Economics: Neighborly Love and Ricardo's Law of Association (South Holland Libertarian Press, 1958), pp. 31."

Unfortunately for Barton's cause (and for his credibility as a man of truthfulness), John Stagg and David Mattern, editors of The Papers of James Madison issued the following statement concerning this misquotation:

"We did not find anything in our files remotely like the sentiment expressed in the extract you sent us. In addition, the idea is inconsistent with everything we know about Madison's views on religion and government, views which he expressed time and time again in public and in private." (Letter dated November 23, 1993, to which the editors refer all who inquire about this falsehood.)

This fabrication appears in Lane's book, say Stagg and Mattern, but only in an article by Nyneyer titled "Neighborly Love and Ricardo's Law of Association" (in Progressive Calvinism vol. 31, 1959), not a book; the article gives as its source the 1958 calendar of Spiritual Mobilization. So this appears to be a fabrication for a motivational calendar, but the trail seems to end here.

Source
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septembri
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jun, 2004 10:55 pm
I noted that Blatham gave Posner's comment about Dworkin short shrift. He should remember that it was he who gave Dworkin prominence in his post. Blatham, however, evidently did not dare to contradict or rebut Posner. Therefore, the comment about Dworkin by Posner stands.
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