U.S. General Suspended Over Iraqi Prisoner Abuse

You are making the mistake in thinking I would condone such events. I don't.

I just happen to wish these things didn't happen because it makes many of the self-righteous liberals in the world that much more smug and difficult.

The real problem for America is that many of our disenchanted friends across the globe will assume that all our military are like the leaders of the Administration, rather than the much smaller numbers that exist in reality.

MGM, anyone who is smug by those photographs has serious problems.

Is it not just possible that some of us are upset at the photographs just because terrible sick abuse has happened and for no other reason?

foxfrye, I don't think that kind of disgusting torture is ever justified. Like that guy in the yahoo article said, Saddam Hussien tortured them by pulling out their fingernails and things like that, but they are taking away their dignity as human beings.

McG,

It's not true that nobody died in the prison torture.

At least one prisoner did die from the beatings and his corpse was placed on a stretcher, and a fake IV inserted into him to be wheeled out and to dump the body.

I have pictures of this prisoner and quotes from the testimony of involved soldiers.

Rest of article.

One would hope that a God fearing COMPASSIONATE Conservative would wish these things wouldn't happen because they are evil, cruel and wrong, not because it makes someone you don't like feel smug, speaking of self righteous.

It just proves that they've been right all along.

"I wonder how many times their going to use the same excuse." revel

So very true, revel.

You know, I once read the definition of morality is "doing what's right when no one is looking." This stuck with me and seems so wise and profound.

The US military can hem and haw and point fingers of blame at anyone and anything they want, but the fact of the matter is, the American Nazis torturing the Iraqi prisoners knew good and well what they were doing was wrong.

Their mistake was getting caught.

Thanks for proving my fears guys...

Thanks for justifying my opinion of you!

Is anyone on able2know able to follow McGentrix's train of thought?

hi infowarrior- Not Deecups. LOL!!!

I am, but to candidly state it would violate the TOS....... :wink:

the "war" for liberation of Iraq is over. We no longer have any "higher moral ground" on which to stand, we can no longer label others as the "terrorists," we have endangered our own troops morale vis a vis " justification for continuance, our demonstration of "democracy" is shattered and we have sliced through our own throat with our blood running thickly into the sands of Iraq. I truely believe our only option is to bug out and turn the whole stinkin' mess over to the international community with our humble apology and guarantee of restitution to our greatest ability.
the rotten apple is indeed spoiled the whole barrel with the only question being who is the rotten apple.

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BAGHDAD (AFP) - Former Iraqi human rights minister Abdel Basset Turki said US overseer Paul Bremer knew in November that Iraqi prisoners were being abused in US detention centres.

"In November I talked to Mr Bremer about human rights violations in general and in jails in particular. He listened but there was no answer. At the first meeting, I asked to be allowed to visit the security prisoners, but I failed," Turki told AFP on Monday.


"I told him the news. He didn't take care about the information I gave him." The coalition had no immediate comment about Turki's meeting with Bremer.


The minister, whose resignation was formally accepted by the coalition on Sunday, said he told Bremer about his meetings with former detainees.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/iraq_us_politics_re...

*Since there were no photos, Bremmer decided to ignore any reports of abuse. Seems that the US Army kept the photos secret as long as they could, even from Bremmer.

I think almost everyone can follow it.


And I agree. Of course it's illegal and immoral, but it seems even more horrible to see people reacting almost gleefully at the news. To me, the dozen or so soldiers who committed the crime, out of the hundreds of thousands who are there, is a crime rate much lower than the general population in the US. Sure, it's a very bad thing, but let's look at it for what it really is - an isolated incident perpetrated by a small minority and universally denounced by the rest.

How sad for you tarantula that you would try to bash the left on the open wounds of tortured Iraqi prisoners.

It really says a lot about your agenda.

Isolated events
"Isolated events". That's the standard line of excuse for the Right Wing. Amnesty International states that these events are widespread and policy througout US Prisons in Iraq and Afghanistan. For the Military to investigate itself is akin to the foxes investigating henhouse events. The Red Cross was barred from access as was any other agencies. This abuse was know by the Military for many months and of course they tried to keep it secret for as long as they could.

The US Imperialistic mis-adventures in Iraq and Afghanistan have failed, miserably!!!!

Billion have been made by the War Profiteers while the American Middle Class, Working Poor and Poor will pay for the fiascos!

The NeoFascists should be concerned about a Civil War...in the USA should the criminal cabal of Bushco be selected again!!!!

I get what you mean Tarantulas. The nature of the polarization of our politics is such that some will see a negative on the other party's watch as a political victory.

But at the same time, I'm not so sure this was as isolated as I wish it were.

I suppose it's too obvious to point out how the US news media misses no opportunity to show those pictures day after day after day, while refusing to show atrocities committed by "insurgents." I suppose that's to be expected though.