Saddam's WMD Have Been Found

Yes, ode to war, Bushie-baby and his minions. It doesn't matter that our military killed over 10,000 innocent Iraqis.

Tarantula, even if it were purified Uranium Oxide , it would only be about 1% U and of that only a very small prtion would be U234/35, Thats why its converted to a hexaflouride and then is enriched by steam , which Iraq has never shown evidence , they need big plants for steam enrichment.These are so un ique that even you could identify one,
or else theyd use "centrifuges" for enrichment in which the 234/5 separates as a hot isotope salt floating on top of a uranium hexaflouride brine. Then this is further enriched by repeated centrifuging until its about 5% U235 (againthe techn ology to locate something like this , is well within our capability to locate remotely , like from drones and airborne scintillometers or even weather stations outfitted with tedlar bags. AND an enrichment plant will leave radioactive footprints that can be seen from the air.The AL tubes that Bush was touting were not enrichment cenrifuge tubes
Maybe Bush didnt knowingly lie, he just didnt tell the truth based upon his own lack of technical knowledge(course ya gotta admit that there are lots of areas of information that he is knowledge free) and now even Powell is trying to bail because he personally feels scammed by the WMD issue in particular. ZO, if you have better on-site knowledge and intelligence than the Sec of State, I salute you.
.Theres no whining on our part , the only one I hear sticking to a hopeless story is you. Admit it like I did,(as I stated earlier, I was on record over on abuzz that I believed Powells talk to the UN and believed his data and photos.I had no idea that this stuff was trumped)
the WMD story is not credible!!. This knowledge allows you the freedom to question anything that seems the slightest bit on the bogus side. Please dont be marchin lockstep to a myth, your coming across like someone from another time .

A pile of natural uranium is about as close to a nucear weapon as lightning is to a lightning bug

As far as the pesticide and nerve gas, they had nerve gas we knew this cause they used it on their people when we were supplying them with money and intell in the late 80s(do ya think that Reagan and Bush I were supplying VX too?) AS far as the pesticides, Im not as familiar with that chemistry but the roots of many agents are also the feedstock of common agricultural chemicals

I JUST WANT TO ADD SOMETHING _ JUST LOOKED UP IN RTECS
tabur, sarin, VX, GB, are all nerve agents(very deadly) -we remember the Sarin attack in Japan years ago...... These chemicals are classed as organophosphates , a class of chemicals that also includes diazinon,p[arathion, chlorpyrifos, and dursban. These are agricultural pesticides (they are used in many countries to rid food crops of insects) and as such, are usually made in what we call "Toll plants" These are little plants that are used by the big chem boys like DOW (old Union Carbide) plants in Marietta Ohio to make the ingredients for bug sprays for farmers to use against leaf hoppers (on wheat , alfalfa, and rice) and locusts and other food crop pests. Now, from our history, we know that Iraq is a made up name , as was the original nickname

"The fertile crescent" Do you remember ? I wonder why they call an area a fertile croissant

. The food crops in this agricultural area include rice wheat, other grains and legumes , veggies and exotic fruits etc. Ag is and was intensive. Now, since I use lots of leaf hopper sprays for my alfalfa I know at least 4 ag chemical toll plants in the Western shore area of Maryland alone, so the manufacture of pesticides in Iraq is entirely beleivable. Also the GCMS and tandem Brucker technology that was used to analyze the "barrels" you speak of can tell from its molecular structure, whether an organophosphate is gonna be sarin , VX, or just Diazinon to spray rice fields. The US army has tested all the small labs that they found in Iraq and has stated that these types of chemicals were , indeed ag chemicals and not sarin or other nerve agents.

Tar, Just how does Iraq use 500 tons of uranium? If they wanted to use it, how do they deliver it as part of a bomb? With the high explosives needed to initiate the atomic reaction of the uranium, how much high explosives will this 500 ton bomb have? And where do you suppose Saddam had plans to use this 1,000 ton bomb?

Natural uranium contains 0.72% U-235 (that's the fissionable stuff). 500 tons x 2000 pounds/ton x 0.0072 = 7200 pounds of U-235. Even if they used a separation process that was very primitive, that's still at lot of fissionable material coming out the other end.

The constant whining I'm talking about is the assertion that there was no justification to go to Iraq since no WMD have yet been found. But the Coalition used the same justification for going to Iraq that the United Nations used for sending inspectors to Iraq. And I have heard no one here saying that the UN had no business sending WMD inspectors. If the UN was justified in being there, then so was the Coalition.

And if the UN inspection regime was the same thing as a full-scale military invasion, this argument might actually make some sense.

Non sequitur.

Non sequitur? Heck, the UN already had inspection teams in Iraq befrore the US invasion that killed innocent Iraqis. The true logical step was to let the UN inspection teams continue their inspections. That way we would not have the over 15,000 dead people and $175 billion down the toilet.

Read this

Tar, You're trying to change the justification again. We didn't go in to free the Iraqis from Saddam. Go back and re-listen to Bush, Rummie, Powell, and Blair's speeches before they started this war. That's square one. Quit changing it.

Here, tar, listen to this. You might learn something.
http://www.gpsinformation.org/joe/afguide.wav

Hey, that's a great little lecture. Almost sounds official with the announcer voice.

Here is the justification for Operation Iraqi Freedom. One of the reasons for doing it was Saddam's brutal repression of his own people, and that is stated right in the public law. So yeah, we did go in there to free the Iraqis from Saddam.

Tar, youve missed something from reading your links.
First-an ore is a mass of rock that contains an economic mineral . The economic mineral usually only occupiuees a few measly oz per ton,we mine iron ore at 1to 3% oxide per ton, we mine gold at 1-3 oz per ton (uranium ore contains just a very small amount of actual ore mineral per ton0

second-aLL Uranium isotopes undergo fission U235 is used because it sustains a chain reaction theres about 23 isotopes of U at last count The U234/U235 is about .0.7% OF THE TOTAL URANIUM present in the ore not of the total weight of the ore rock pile Most U ores are complex mixtures of Vanadium, Iron, lead,silicates and phosphate etc with a small % of UO3(this is what you start with) in the ore mass itself. The rock is mostly 'gangue" minerals so the uranium mineral itself may only be a few percent of the total ore..... and the recoverable U235 is extracted withtechnology not known to be available to Iraq. Its not as simple as extracting gold from quartz by leaching.. The process is complex and incomplete. You dont (by any stretch) get 3 tons of bomb grade(5%) U 235 from your "pile of natural uranium" (whatever that is supposed to mean- since they havent found any yellow cake or red cake anywhere in Iraq). Otherwise wed have a world full of a lot more bomb toting countries.
Making a nuke is relatively easy, extracting the needed isotope is the hard part

I had a link about the reestablishment of the once vital agricultural industry in Iraq, then I lost it. when I saw your mistatement of the amount of recoverable (5%)U235 sitting in a pile in Iraq, youre incorrect. Ill see whether I cant find that darn link about the crops and acreage (implied by me that ag chemical production is a reality since iraq has been a closed state for years)

The article didn't say anything about uranium ore. It said natural uranium. There's no vanadium or iron or lead or anything else in natural uranium. It's just uranium. And 0.72% of natural uranium is U-235.

I used to work at the N Reactor at the Hanford Site in eastern Washington. It was a big graphite-moderated plutonium production reactor, and it could run on natural uranium with no enrichment. That thing was massive.

By the way, I was certified by the National Registry of Radiation Protection Technologists back in 1978. Haven't really worked in that side of the nuclear business since around 1980, but I do have some experience in that area.

Here's an interesting chat with a weapons expert. I didn't realize that they terrorists they caught in Syria were Iraqis.

The curious lack of curiosity about WMD
Larry Elder
May 6, 2004

"Week after week after week after week," said Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass., about President Bush's rationale for going to war with Iraq, "we were told lie after lie after lie after lie." Were we?

Jordan recently seized 20 tons of chemicals trucked in by confessed al Qaeda members who brought the stuff in from Syria. The chemicals included VX, Sarin and 70 others. But the media seems curiously incurious about whether one could reasonably trace this stuff back to Iraq. Had the terrorists released a "toxic cloud," Jordanian officials say 80,000 would have died!

So, I interviewed terrorism expert John Loftus, who once held some of the highest security clearances in the world. Loftus, a former Army officer, served as a Justice Department prosecutor. He investigated CIA cases of Nazi war criminals for the U.S. attorney general. Author of several books, Loftus once received a Pulitzer Prize nomination.

John Loftus: There's a lot of reason to think (the source of the chemicals) might be Iraq. We captured Iraqi members of al Qaeda, who've been trained in Iraq, planned for the mission in Iraq, and now they're in Jordan with nerve gas. That's not the kind of thing you buy in a grocery store. You have to have obtained it from someplace.

Larry Elder: They couldn't have obtained it from Syria?

Loftus: Syria does have the ability to produce certain kinds of nerve gasses, but in small quantities. The large stockpiles were known to be in Iraq. The best U.S. and allied intelligence say that in the 10 weeks before the Iraq war, Saddam's Russian adviser told him to get rid of all the nerve gas. It would be useless against U.S. troops; the rubber suits were immune to it. So they shipped it across the border to Syria and Lebanon and buried it. Now, in the last few weeks, there's a controversy that Syria has been trying to get rid of this stuff.

They're selling it to al Qaeda is one supposition. We know the Sudanese government demanded that the Syrian government empty its warehouse in Khartoum where they've been hiding illegal missiles along with components of weapons of mass destruction. But there's no doubt these guys confessed on Jordanian television that they received the training for this mission in Iraq. . . . And from the description it appears this is the form of nerve gas known as VX. It's very rare, and very tough to manufacture . . . one of the most destructive chemical mass-production weapons that you can use. . . . They wanted to build three clouds, a mile across, of toxic gas. A whole witch's brew of nasty chemicals that were going to go into this poison cloud, and this would have gone over shopping malls, hospitals . . .

Elder: You said that the Russians told Saddam, "There is going to be an invasion. Get rid of your chemical and biological weapons."

Loftus: Sure. It would only bring the United Nations down on their heads if they were shown to really have weapons of mass destruction. It's not generally known, but the CIA has found 41 different material breaches where Saddam did have a weapons of mass destruction program of various types. It was completely illegal. But no one could find the stockpiles. And the liberal press seems to be focusing on that.

Elder: It seems to me that this is a huge, huge story.

Loftus: It's embarrassing to the (press). They've staked their reputations that this stuff wasn't there. And now all of a sudden we have al Qaeda agents from Iraq showing up with weapons of mass destruction.

Elder: David Kay said, in an interim report, that there was a possibility that WMD components were shipped to Syria.

Loftus: A possibility? We had a Syrian journalist who defected to Paris in January. The guy is dying of cancer, and he said, "Look, my friends in Syrian intelligence told me exactly where the stuff is buried." He named three sites in Syria, and the Israelis have confirmed the three sites. They know where the stuff is, but the problem is that the United States can't just go around invading Arab countries. . . . We know from Israeli and defectors' intelligence that the son of the Syrian defense minister was paid 50 million bucks to bring the stuff across the border and bury it.

Elder: Why would al Qaeda attack Jordan?

Loftus: Jordan is an ally of the United States. It's at peace with Israel. And Jordan has a long history of trying to prosecute terrorists. . . . There are a lot of reasons. . . . They want to make an example of them. They want to terrorize as many of the Arab states as possible. This is sort of a political dream for the president. The worst nightmare is al Qaeda gets weapons of mass destruction from Iraq. And it looks like it's coming true.

A Syria/Iraq/al Qaeda/WMD connection? Why, this calls for a congressional investigation.

Link

Townhall.com, whose advertising banner at the top of the page says:Are you tired of dating liberals?
I guess one should admire your singleminded determination to avoid ever posting valid information. There is a sort of nobility in such complete lack of understanding.

And I suppose you'll never tire of immediate dismissal of any information that doesn't fit your world view. I feel like I'm trying to explain mathematics to a dog. I keep talking and explaining, but all I see in response is a quizzical look and that tongue hanging out.

Attacking the source and the poster instead of what the post says. Typical.

While not proof of an active nuclear program, many of the parts fit together...


6-26-03

The United Nations nuclear watchdog says parts of a gas centrifuge found hidden in the back garden of an Iraqi scientist do not change its assessment that Iraq has not had a nuclear programme since 1991.
The scientist, Mahdi Shukur Obeidi, handed over the parts to US authorities saying they had been buried there since 1991 on the orders of Saddam Hussein's government.

Mr Obeidi headed Iraq's centrifuge programme - aimed at enriching uranium to be used in nuclear weapons - until then.

US officials have conceded the discovery does not show that Iraq had an active nuclear weapons programme - and "we would agree that this is not evidence of a smoking gun," International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) spokesman Mark Gwozdecky said.

Rest of the story...

McGentrix writes, "Attacking the source and the poster instead of what the post says. Typical."

Huh? Little boy, you do this all the time!!! LOL!!!

I've read you attacking sources from Commondreams, the Democratic Underground, etc.

You should change your name McHypocrite!