Is There Any Chance Christie Did NOT Know About the Dirty Tricks?

@farmerman,

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yeh, all you hve to do is trim out all these excess brown and poor people. Why we oughta be a country of no more than 36 million , like Canada.

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http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/30/bennett.comments/

Bennett, who held prominent posts in the administrations of former presidents Ronald Reagan and George Bush, told a caller to his syndicated radio talk show Wednesday: "If you wanted to reduce crime, you could -- if that were your sole purpose -- you could abort every black baby in this country and your crime rate would go down.

"That would be an impossibly ridiculous and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down," he said.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-California, had called on President Bush to condemn the comments by Bennett, who was anti-drug chief in Bush's father's administration.

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@BillRM,

That's where I got it from. Bill Bennett has always been one of Daves heros.

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@Frank Apisa,

Why would you make someone defend a monologue from a fictional show? I'm not saying the monologue is incorrect, I'm just wondering why a real person should be made to answer for a TV shows made up monologue?

Just so you know I left the GOP after the 2012 elections due to all the "social issues". They no longer reflected my stance on the social biggies.

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@Baldimo,

Baldimo wrote:

Why would you make someone defend a monologue from a fictional show?

I'm sorry, Baldimo...I must have missed the part where I asked anyone here to defend any monologues from any fictional shows.

Would you mind pointing out where I did that...so I can correct it?

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I'm not saying the monologue is incorrect, I'm just wondering why a real person should be made to answer for a TV shows made up monologue?

Read my above comment.

And this may come as a surprise to you, Baldimo...but "fictional monologues" are written by REAL PEOPLE. Often those real people (writers) are doing what writers have been doing throughout recorded history...making comments about the human predicament.

That, it appears to me, was what Aaron Sorkin was doing when he wrote that monologue.

Don't you think so also?

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Just so you know I left the GOP after the 2012 elections due to all the "social issues". They no longer reflected my stance on the social biggies.

I left the other party for lots of reasons. I still feel that safety net programs are an abolute must...and getting more important with each passing day...and I think the D's are more likely to preserve and expand safety net programs, so I tend to vote for them.

I think we are probably more closely aligned than you seem to think, Baldimo. But I understand and acknowledge your desire to disagree with me.

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@farmerman,

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That's where I got it from. Bill Bennett has always been one of Daves heros.

Bennett believe in overkill as it is only the male black babies that would need to be aborted to lower the crime rate and then I wonder how you would deal with mixed race babies like Obama.

All and all a charming man.

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@Frank Apisa,

It was your word choice and your "challange" to David:

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David, you and others like you call the McAvoy character a Republican In Name Only apparently because he is not willing to get down into the gutter where so many Republicans now reside.

Thanks for reminding us of that.

So you used the monologue as a pushing point against David. You all but asked him defend his comments based on what a fictional character said.

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Chris Hedges of OPEDNEWS presents an interesting attack on Chris Christie.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Chris-Hedges-The-Trouble-by-Chris-Hedges-Chris-Christie-140113-25.html

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

I'm amazed at how we automatically assume that he wasn't telling the truth.

Based on the emails this was clearly meant as political payback. To be effective as payback, two things need to be present. The victim needs to know who is doing it and why and everyone else needs to know too so they know to toe the line next time. It's possible that Christie set up some plausible deniability by directing his staff to do what needed to be done without having direct knowledge of their plans and they went overboard. That works for the first day. Christie was informed after that and still did nothing so I'm inclined to think he was in the loop. I don't think his staff was working completely without his guidance but if you thought it was like a micro version of Watergate you still have the same situation - the executive may have been out of the loop for the crime but involved in the cover-up. I can't believe in the privacy of his office that his staffers did not tell him what was going on with the traffic jam.

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@engineer,

as in Christie hears about all the trouble the morning it started and tells his people "find out which mother ****** is responsible for this and fix it!"

where are the emails that talk about this!

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@Baldimo,

Baldimo wrote:

It was your word choice and your "challange" to David:

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David, you and others like you call the McAvoy character a Republican In Name Only apparently because he is not willing to get down into the gutter where so many Republicans now reside.

Thanks for reminding us of that.

So you used the monologue as a pushing point against David. You all but asked him defend his comments based on what a fictional character said.

When you say "you all but asked him defend his comment"...that is the same as saying "you did not ask him to defend his comment."

And that is what I said...that I did not.

So we are in agreement, correct?

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@Frank Apisa,

Word games Frank. What was the purpose of posting the monologue?

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@Baldimo,

Baldimo wrote:

Word games Frank. What was the purpose of posting the monologue?

No word games at all, Baldimo.

David was talking about a RINO.

That is exactly what the conversation in The Newsroom was all about.

Are you of the opinion that people should not use literature in that way????

What are you saying...why are you annoyed that I used a perfectly appropriate example of what was being discussed?

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

When Dave says "War on poverty"
he has something else entirely in mind.

Something else than LBJ, yea!
I 'd return the statutory infrastructure of the US
to what it was around late 18OOs or maybe 191O,
except that a contract has been made qua Social Security
and I can t see just letting the government off the hook,
but generally, I support laissez faire free enterprize.

The USA shud be like Mayberry, North Carolina from Canada to Mexico,
from sea-to-shining-sea in terms of domestic jurisdiction.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

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The USA shud be like Mayberry,

and I elect you Barney Fyfe

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@maxdancona,

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And the only ones who think they didn't are liberals.

maxdancona wrote:

If you insist on defining "liberal" as anyone who is not a Tea Party nutcase,
about 70 percent of Americans are liberals.

People either want to be STRAIGHT, honest,
accurate qua Constitutional limits against government jurisdiction,
or thay don t. Conservative means orthodox and literal.

Liberal means distortive, deviating, cheating
to chisle out a twisted, un-faithful, desired result,
regardless of propriety to benefit your favorites.

David

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

David, you and others like you call the McAvoy character a Republican In Name Only
apparently because he is not willing to get down into the gutter
where so many Republicans now reside.

Thanks for reminding us of that.

FOR THE RECORD:
I just didn't feel that Frank's gutteral remark was worthy of notice;
not worth my time.

Real Republicans fight to curtail, reduce and strangle
the domestic jurisdiction of government so as to EXALT
the Individual American citizen in his FREEDOM. THAT 's what its all about.

David

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@Frank Apisa,

hawkeye10 wrote:

you do realize that Hollywood is composed almost 100% with D sympathizers, right?

Frank Apisa wrote:

I realize that conservatives consider anyone who will not march in lock step with their conservative masters...

...is considered a D sympathizer and a liberal.

I just don't think that is the way things are, Hawk. And while I have many, many very conservative friends...I consider American conservatism to be one of the most disgusting political philosophies ever to pollute this planet. I think the grass-roots American conservative is being led around like an ox with a nose ring.

I, myself, and not a Democrat...nor a liberal.

COMMUNIST ????
A Marxist-Leninist ????????

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@Advocate,

Advocate wrote:

When you say that O lied about people being able to keep their old health plans, are you ignorant or a liar? This is written in the law. What happened is that companies are not keeping the old plans because they want new insureds, who would be entitled to Ocare benefits. O lacks the power to make insurance companies keep the old plans. Thus, there was no lie.

Well we know which one you are.

If the fact that the law madated that people could not keep their old plans or doctors. Why did Obama tell them (more than 25 times) that they could, and why did he continue to do so after his policy people suggested that he modify the statement to reflect the truth?

Only the most bedazzled Obamaphile believes he didn't lie.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

[And this may come as a surprise to you, Baldimo...but "fictional monologues" are written by REAL PEOPLE. Often those real people (writers) are doing what writers have been doing throughout recorded history...making comments about the human predicament.

That, it appears to me, was what Aaron Sorkin was doing when he wrote that monologue.

Don't you think so also?

And this may come as a surprise to you Frank but liberal writers love to put words in the mouths of Republican characters with the intent of making Republicans look bad.

Find a real live Republican that actually said something like this and then ask your question or make your point.

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

That's where I got it from.
Bill Bennett has always been one of Daves heros.

HAY! What the hell r u planting, farmer?????

Lemme be clear:
I don t like Bill Bennett. I don t look upon him as a friend,
nor as having been much help to America. I don 't like his personality
and a lot WORSE I don 't like a lot of his philosophy.
I do NOT see him as being anti-authoritarian, as all decent Republicans shud be.

The way I 've seen him present himself (tho I have not seen him recently)
suggests that, in HIS mind, authoritarianism is not
necessarily such a bad thing. I suspect him of liberal theocratic leanings
(to be historically conservative, he must adhere to the secular US Constitution)
and for sure, he opposes freedom of abortion, and he probably
favors censorship of erotic materials (porn). He is NO friend of liberty.
I bet he 'd outlaw gambling, if he cud.

OK, I 'll agree that he was a good anti-communist during the 3rd World War
and, if u insist on pressing the point, I guess u might find a few
other issues qua which he was not anathema to liberty,
but as a whole, I have held him in low esteem
and I have not been in a big hurry to attend to his oratory,
but we learn from U, that:
"Bill Bennett has always been one of Daves heros." I take exception
to your FALSE characterization. I have better heros than that, beginning with George Washington,
James Madison, Patrick Henry and Barry Goldwater.

Maybe next week, u 'll accuse me of following Karl Marx.

David

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