Democrats Are Risking Political Damnation

More from Bush:
"THis is a batle between the forces of good, and the forces of evil. We are the forces of good, as we have shown througout history. If you oppose America, you are supporting evil."

Do you see the difference between Bush's apocolyptic pronunciations and Clinton's rather bland ones?

setanta writes:


Okay Setanta, educate us. Give us the direct quotes, time, place, and context that George Bush has handed over policy making and/or decisions to God?

Fer chrissake, Fox, the Hobit has posted it twice . . . just how dense are you?

Foxy has her eyes squeezed tightly shut and her fingers in her ears, screamimg "LalalalalaIcan'thearyou" as always.

And when are you going to suggest that Hobit made up his quotes?

well, if you guys weren't "anyone but bush" idiots who only subscribe to far left news sources and had an open mind you would know in your heart he is right. damn, can't we get some moderates or at least well-reasoned liberals to post on here (ones that agree with me)?

Why would i suggest that, Fox?

Are you on medication?

Setanta


Oh I don't know Set. I guess I was just thinking you might be one of the bright ones who would recognize when he had been had. GWB did not make any of those quotes Hobit posted 'twice'. I didn't comment on them before as I generally ignore those who debate via insult.

And dyslexia, actually it was British intelligence that was the most damning re WMD

She suggests it because she is still avoiding the issue. Why else?
Here's another one:
"I do not think witchcraft is a religion, and I do not think it is in any way appropriate for the U.S. military to promote it."
And some more:
" Therefore, I, George W. Bush, Governor of Texas, do hereby proclaim June 10, 2000, Jesus Day in Texas"
"This crusade, this war on terrorism is going to take a while."
"I appreciate that question because I, in the state of Texas, had heard a lot of discussion about a faith-based initiative eroding the important bridge between church and state."
"The course of this conflict is not known, yet its outcome is certain. Freedom and fear, justice and cruelty, have always been at war, and we know that God is not neutral between them."
"I am mindful that we're all sinners..."
"We waited for Congress to act. They couldn't act on the issue. So I just went ahead and signed an executive order which will unleash -- [applause] -- which says the federal agencies will not discriminate against faith-based programs. They ought to welcome the armies of compassion as opposed to turning them away."
"Tyrants and dictators will accept no other gods before them. They require disobedience to the First Commandment. They seek absolute control and are threatened by faith in God. They fear only the power they cannot possess -- the power of truth. So they resent the living example of the devout, especially the devotion of a unique people chosen by God."
"I really appreciate leaders from around the globe who have come to share in prayer with us today. It reminds me that the Almighty God is a God to everybody, every person."
"My administration will be more supportive of the good works done here than any administration in the history of this country because I understand the power of faith, that faith can change lives."
"We're fighting people that hates our values. "
"My administration has been calling upon all the leaders in the -- in the Middle East to do everything they can to stop the violence, to tell the different parties involved that peace will never happen."

or at least Bush said it was British intelligence, I guess your right and that lets Bush off the hook for using it as justification for war.

Care to debunk them? Or is this going to be another exercise like the one where you demonstated your "expertise" in Japanese political history?

The following is from a New Zealand news site, Scoop: "Combined with a recent report in the Israeli daily newspaper Ha'aretz that Bush said "God told me" to invade Afghanistan and Iraq . . . " (the diaresis represents an insulting comment about Bush, which it occurred to me you wouldn't appreciate.) Therefore, in the interest of your conviction that the Hobit is making it all up, i found this at the on-line site of the Isreali daily newspaper Ha'aretz:



Yes, Fox, i do see that you ignore that which is not conducive to establishing your argument.

The quotes I gave Setanta, are direct quotes from Bill Clinton's public speeches. What you are quoting is what somebody else said that GWB said, and, as you pointed out, these people are not thrilled with GWB. Oh mercy, do you suppose they exaggerated? Or (gasp) made it up?

I have Cspan or some news source running in the background most of the time and therefore I hear GWB (and John Kerry) speak in many different settings and on many different occasions. I have never heard him say anything even remotely close to what you and Hobit are accusing him of.

Again, what is it about you people that provokes such venom? Not only at GWB but at me or anybody who tries to point out that GWB is not the devil personified.

This exchange has not been particularly fruitful. Think I'll go play.

And as i pointed out, your direct quotes do not establish that Clinton ever "specifically evoke[ed] the Christian God as instrumental in any decision?" That was LW's question, and you have never answered it.

As for whether or not the people concerned are "thrilled" with Bush, that is no measure of whether or not they are telling the truth as best they can ascertain it. I remarked only that the source i originally found had made an unflattering remark about Bush, not the article in the Israeli newspaper. Are you now calling anyone who disagrees with your view of Bush an inferential liar? There is absolutely no reason, either from reading the article in Ha'aretz, or from anything which i wrote here, to assume that Mr. Regular has any misgivings about Bush. Nice try, but you failed to wriggle out with that canard.

Disagreeing with you, and disagreeing with and/or disliking Bush, is not venomous, for however much you don't like it.

It doesn't prove they are telling the truth either. I tend to go with my own substantial experience in these things and I have listened to dozens of GWB speeches however painful that sometimes was. The accusations you are making against him re his faith and how he uses it simply have no foundation in fact.

So far you have provided no verifiable information that GWB ever established any policy or directed anything because 'God told him to' which is what you are trying to present here. You're better than that Setanta. Try harder.

Pardon the interruption, but why on earth do you guys bother? I sometimes think both sides enjoy beating a dead horse.

I can understand a debate, a real debate, but this? What's the point?

what the nun said

You've asked for a citation, but now that it is provided, you want to discount it. Once again, i will point out that there is not the least whiff of criticism of Bush in the Ha'aretz article, although i'm sure you'll continue to cling to that desparately.



Ah, the argument from authority--you know better than i, and i should just shut up an listen, huh? (Edited to note the addition of the emphasis.)



To the extent that you refuse to accept any evidence to that effect, such a specious contention on your part will always be easy to make.

By the way, your quotes did not establish that Clinton ever "specifically evoke[ed] the Christian God as instrumental in any decision," the question which LW asked. So i guess you're just going to ignore that, as it appears you're unable to comply.