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Democrats Are Risking Political Damnation

 
 
Reply Fri 16 Apr, 2004 02:15 pm
Beware the temptation to snicker, because therein lies defeat.

That is an important warning for those Democrats who have spent the days since President Bush's press conference making light of his invocation of "the Almighty" in the defense of his Iraq policy. Specifically, they've been snickering over the president's contention that "freedom is the Almighty's gift to every man and woman in this world."

Some critics have called the president's message "missionary." Some have said that it suggests a case for "religious war" by U.S. armed forces. Others have simply waved it about as evidence of a president who is intellectually or strategically shallow.

This is a dangerous path for Democrats.

During a debate in the 2000 primary campaign, the GOP candidates were asked to name the philosopher who had most affected their lives. Bush's answer was unique: Jesus Christ. As a senior advisor to Al Gore at the time, I recall the reaction in Democratic circles: laughter and disbelief. Bush was seen as a dunce at best, a panderer at worst. "George Bush probably can't even name a philosopher," was repeated so often in progressive circles that it became a theme. How could such an "uneducated person" win?

And yet, for countless independent and swing voters, Bush's invocation of divine inspiration said far more about his values ?- and how much they were in line with their own ?- than it did about any gaps in his Yale course work.

In the United States, a person who has knowledge must be respected. But someone who shares our values can be trusted. And the choice of a president is ultimately about trust more than respect.

In regard to the ongoing presidential campaign and the president's citation of divine inspiration for his Iraq policy, Democrats need to avoid falling into this same trap again.

Yes, there is much to criticize in the president's statement. Is he hypocritical to embrace a broad view of God-given rights when, during the 2000 campaign, he scoffed at Clinton-Gore efforts to promote freedom around the world? You bet. Is he myopic in seeing these issues only in some disfavored regimes, while ignoring the thirst for freedom in so many other countries? Absolutely. Is it wrong for the president to have sold the war to the American people on one basis (the search for weapons of mass destruction) and now defend its prosecution on a different basis (the promotion of human freedom)? Undoubtedly.

But at the same time, progressives should not belittle the notion that American foreign policy will support the objective of promoting God-given freedoms around the world. There is plenty of intellectual elitism in both parties, but in political terms, it's an arrogance that the Democrats would be well-advised to resist.

Rather than laughing at the president's invocation of the notion of natural rights to justify his policies in Iraq, Democrats should make it abundantly clear that they share the president's view that all humans are created free and are entitled to enjoy the benefit of that innate freedom. After all, wasn't the idea of an "unalienable" right to liberty put into writing in 1776 by the father of the Democratic Party, Thomas Jefferson? And more recently, haven't these been the ideals that Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and Gore pursued around the world ?- often with great derision from conservatives?

Instead of belittling the president's reliance on the Almighty, Democrats should make clear that we share the president's goals but think that his methods have been deeply flawed. The mission may be from above, but the planning has been from someplace else.

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Centroles
 
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Reply Fri 16 Apr, 2004 02:18 pm
"There is much to criticize in the president's statement. Is he hypocritical to embrace a broad view of God-given rights when, during the 2000 campaign, he scoffed at Clinton-Gore efforts to promote freedom around the world? You bet. Is he myopic in seeing these issues only in some disfavored regimes, while ignoring the thirst for freedom in so many other countries? Absolutely. Is it wrong for the president to have sold the war to the American people on one basis (the search for weapons of mass destruction) and now defend its prosecution on a different basis (the promotion of human freedom)? Undoubtedly. "

Some would argue that Bush didn't really get the majority of voters behind him in the first place.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 16 Apr, 2004 02:25 pm
what were bush's own words about Nation Building? Is he lying now or was he lying then?
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Fri 16 Apr, 2004 02:34 pm
farmerman wrote:
what were bush's own words about Nation Building? Is he lying now or was he lying then?

Actually, not everyone who changes his mind was lying. Sometimes it's a sign of growth and flexibility. I would be willing to bet that you have stated ideas publicly and then changed your mind.

In the case of Iraq, nation building is a good thing. I will not get into the ten hour discussion about why I'm glad we removed Hussein's government, but I will say that since we did, I think it is our responsibility to leave them with a functioning democracy.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 16 Apr, 2004 02:38 pm
We agree to disagree.
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au1929
 
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Reply Fri 16 Apr, 2004 02:38 pm
What a load of hogwash. Maybe Jesus can get us out of the morass that jackass got us into in Iraq. Evil or Very Mad
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Fri 16 Apr, 2004 02:44 pm
au1929 wrote:
What a load of hogwash. Maybe Jesus can get us out of the morass that jackass got us into in Iraq. Evil or Very Mad

It's a good thing that you have this outlet for your feelings. I do, however, disagree with most of the assumptions implicit in your exclamation.
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Centroles
 
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Reply Fri 16 Apr, 2004 02:45 pm
I would be more inclined to believe that Bush changed his mind on nation building as a result of 9/11 if there aren't so many sources that confirm that Bush was focused on regime change in Iraq before 9/11 ever happened.
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au1929
 
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Reply Fri 16 Apr, 2004 02:56 pm
Brandon9000
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It's a good thing that you have this outlet for your feelings. I do, however, disagree with most of the assumptions implicit in your exclamation.


Since you disagree I guess I will have to put myself to bed without supper. Woe is me.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 16 Apr, 2004 03:27 pm
centroles. I was waiting for his apologists to bring that point about how the world was changed after 9/11, when evidence is consistent with a pre-considered and planned Iraq attack well before then.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 16 Apr, 2004 03:32 pm
Well dang me, dang me
They oughta take a rope and hang me
High from the higest treeeeeeeeee . . .

Woman dontcha weep for me . . .
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 16 Apr, 2004 04:15 pm
well, we had nothing to go on but sketchy intelligence, contradictory rumours from unreliable sources and vague threats so we invaded Iraq.
It wasn't nation building, it was out-sourcing our faith-based Almighty imperatives. Damn the rpg's bring it on.
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unknown man
 
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Reply Fri 16 Apr, 2004 07:01 pm
Centroles wrote:
I would be more inclined to believe that Bush changed his mind on nation building as a result of 9/11 if there aren't so many sources that confirm that Bush was focused on regime change in Iraq before 9/11 ever happened.


I can understand if he changed his view dramatically, 9/11 changed how all Americans saw the world, and if you ask me, the views it changed might have been for the better. We had lived too long in the days of "We are an unnstopable superpower". 9/11 brought a dose of reality to us all.

Now, on the subject of "Freedom being the Almighties gift to everyone". I dissagre with that statement entirelly. Freedom is not to be considered a right automatically given to everyone. No one should have their freedom handed to them on a silver platter. Freedom must be obtained and worked for. That is the only way that freedom shall be granted.
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au1929
 
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Reply Sat 17 Apr, 2004 06:16 am
unknown_man
And may I add, appreciated.
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Deecups36
 
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Reply Sat 17 Apr, 2004 09:33 am
I doubt Jesus is slapping his thigh over the bloody carnage underway in Iraq.

But Bush will have to account for his Holy War on day and it's not going to be pretty.

Sad
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 17 Apr, 2004 09:38 am
Centroles, The war in Iraq was not justified on the basis of "search for WMDs." We were told they knew the location of those WMDs. Quite a different scenario in my book. BTW, Senator Feinstein said recently that she and many others would not have voted for the war if they knew what they know now; that they were lied to about WMDs.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 17 Apr, 2004 10:15 am
This diatribe against Bush for professing his faith in God is over the top even for the left. I would guess not one of you issued a murmer about Bill Clinton having the press corps follow him into black churches--he always carried this BIG black showy Bible and never cracked it open in a service--and you probably never commented when he would ask preachers to come to the White House, in full view of the cameras of course, to counsel and pray with him. Even Billy Graham went to see Bill Clinton.

Are presidents playing the 'religious' card when they do this? I don't know.

The thesis of this thread is actually the fact that 90% of Americans do believe in God and a substantial number of voters are religious. To condemn a president because he professes faith in God is less than expedient.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sat 17 Apr, 2004 10:18 am
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Are presidents playing the 'religious' card when they do this? I don't know.

care to make a guess?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 17 Apr, 2004 10:26 am
Quote, " To condemn a president because he professes faith in God is less than expedient." And ofcoarse Bush doesn't use it for his advantage in any way shape or form since nothing else makes any sense.
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panzade
 
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Reply Sat 17 Apr, 2004 10:28 am
Foxfyre, I don't condemn the president (edit) because he believes in God. I condemn the president because he believes in his Christian jihad.The separation of church and state is the most important distinction between our society and those in the Middle East. I want to keep it that way.
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