So Saying That Folks Should Follow Christian Morals is NOW A Firing Offense

@Setanta,

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Don't try to drag me into your idiocy. Of course, we all know you don't need any help to be an idiot.

Go **** yourself, you arrogant bastard.

@Setanta,

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It has been pointed out to you, ad naseum, that you never provide examples of people's speech being shut down.

a practice of punishment for speech is an attempt to silence the voices that are not wanted, as all inflictions of pain are attempts to manipulate future behavior. this practice is an abomination, and should be vigorously confronted, our freedom and preserving our democracy depend upon it.

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@hawkeye10,

Congrats!!!!!! Your quoted sentence is the worst that I have seen in quite some time.

"this corporation, this family, this guy are not the major issue, the condition of our collective conversation is. this event is part of a pattern of practices to suppress voices that power has decided should not be heard, this is anti American, anti freedom, and is most definitely not in our best interests. "

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@hawkeye10,

How has this joker been "punished," Whackeye? People are quoting him over at Facebook, this story is a major news event. You are so clueless.

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@Advocate,

Advocate wrote:

Congrats!!!!!! Your quoted sentence is the worst that I have seen in quite some time.

"this corporation, this family, this guy are not the major issue, the condition of our collective conversation is. this event is part of a pattern of practices to suppress voices that power has decided should not be heard, this is anti American, anti freedom, and is most definitely not in our best interests. "

the sad part is that this matters to you......you are like the old aristocrats who felt free to ignore anyone who did not speak with the "proper" language, because they were beneath the class who were allowed to have say in what happened.

Practice your elitism at your own risk, and silence others at your own risk as well, because at some point the anger you generate will result in your being deprived of your head. But it will come as a surprise to you, because you and your class shut down communication.

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@hawkeye10,

are you calling him white trash?

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

How has this joker been "punished," Whackeye? People are quoting him over at Facebook, this story is a major news event. You are so clueless.

we are all being punished, we are all less free, and our democracy is more ill than it was. I am a socialist, it is the health of the collective that matters more to me than the will of the one. This collective effort to police speech weakens the collective, it is self inflicted harm, which I must speak out against.

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@hawkeye10,

My post is certainly not a big deal. However, for anyone who cares about the English language and grammar, your writing distracts from what you are trying to say. I was more amused by it than anything else.

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@Advocate,

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My post is certainly not a big deal. However, for anyone who cares about the English language and grammar, your writing distracts from what you are trying to say. I was more amused by it than anything else.

the point is that it gets in the way of conversation only if you let it, and when you do you are a fool. we are all of equal value, it is not dependent upon which class we are in, where we went to school, where we live. my thoughts were very clear, and if they were not expressed in the words you would have used and this is a problem for you then **** you.

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@hawkeye10,

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if homosexual acts are ugly then using ugly language to describe them is appropriate. If you dont think that homosexuality is ugly then make your case.

This isn't about the aesthetic values of various types of sex acts. As far as sex acts go, there isn't anything homosexuals do that many heterosexuals don't also do.

And it is about blatantly bigoted and defamatory statements made about an entire group.

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“Women with women. Men with men. They committed indecent acts with one another. And they received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion,” Robertson said in the video. “They’re full of murder, envy, strife, hatred. They are insolent, arrogant God haters. They are heartless, they are faithless, they are senseless, they are ruthless, they invent ways of doing evil.”
http://www.deadline.com/2013/12/ae-grapples-with-death-threats-and-clan-ultimatum-on-duck-dynasty-star-suspension/

Is Phil Robertson free to make such statements? Yes.

Are homosexuals free to feel offended by such statements? Yes.

Is A & E, or any other network, free to fire, or suspend, or to disagree with statements, made by any of their employees? Yes.

Can the general public dictate who a cable network should put on the air? No.

Can the general public dictate who a cable network can't take off the air? No.

Then these are private decisions made by networks according to their own rules and standards and business interests? Yes.

Does anything about the Duck Dynasty/A & E fracas violate anyone's legal rights--either the rights of the network to hire and fire, or those of the DD employee to voice opinions? No.

So, no outside parties have any standing to dictate what either the employee or A & E should do? Yes.

So the entire Duck Dynasty /A & E situation is a private matter between an employer and employee? Yes.

And, regardless of what A & E decides what to do, regarding the future of Duck Dynasty, both sides trying to influence their decision will just have to suck it up? Yes.

Are many people just using this situation to air their usual gripes, against their usual targets, that have nothing to do with this particular situation? Yes.

Could A & E, and the Duck Dynasty clan, and pressure/political groups on both sides, all be using this situation merely for publicity? Yes.

Is it all a tempest in a teapot? Yes.

Why doesn't everyone just leave A & E to work out their private differences of opinion with their employees, if there even are such differences, and focus on something more important than a TV reality show? That's a good question.

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@hawkeye10,

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we are all being punished, we are all less free, and our democracy is more ill than it was..

Speech was never free of social and cultural consequences, or repercussions. When was that ever the case?

People are still free to make offensive comments, and others are free to feel offended and outraged.

Democracy is alive and well. Who a private cable network chooses to put on, or take off, the air has nothing to do with "democracy"--it's private enterprise.

That you don't agree with that doesn't mean beans.

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@firefly,

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others are free to feel offended and outraged.

which is not the same as depriving them of their livelihoods or disappearing their speech or preventing others from publicly supporting the alleged wrong speaker (twitter here for instance, the Germans outlawing pro Nazi speech is another example) .

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@coldjoint,

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Thank you, waterman.

Sorry buddy, I am all Coldjoint, and have proven it.

The only thing you've proven is you're an asshole just trolling around the forum to see how long it takes to get your sorry ass banned.

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@hawkeye10,

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which is not the same as depriving them of their livelihoods or disappearing their speech.

No one has been deprived of their livelihood in this situation.

No private employer has an obligation to retain an employee who may be damaging their brand, or image, or who, in any way may be negatively influencing their business, or who makes public statements they just don't agree with or choose not to be associated with.

No one has a guaranteed right to have a reality show, or any kind of show, on a particular network.

The employee works by contract. If they violate their contract, they may void their contract. If they don't like their contract, and any clauses it contains, they shouldn't sign it before those differences are worked out. The employer is also under no obligation to renew that contract. That's what the Food Network did--they just didn't renew Paula Dean's contract.

Whose speech has "disappeared"? Isn't A & E currently airing re-runs of Duck Dynasty? Hasn't Phil Robertson been getting massive media attention, and free publicity, focusing on, and disseminating his comments?

Can't you discuss anything without bringing in manufactured strawmen?

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@hawkeye10,

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I am a socialist,

Puhleeeeze

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it is the health of the collective that matters more to me than the will of the one.

Then you should be ignoring the quacks of "Phil-Duck"

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This collective effort to police speech weakens the collective,

Wait...run that by me again...

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it is self inflicted harm, which I must speak out against.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

we are all of equal value

really?

when did you have a come to jesus moment?

want to talk about Michael J Fox again? disabled children in the public school system?

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

a practice of punishment for speech is an attempt to silence the voices that are not wanted

if only you thought this was a bad thing

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@ehBeth,

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if only you thought this was a bad thing

It is a very very very bad thing no matter how must you disagree with the speech in question.

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First they came for the Communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Communist.
Then they came for the Socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

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@ehBeth,

ehBeth wrote:

hawkeye10 wrote:
a practice of punishment for speech is an attempt to silence the voices that are not wanted

if only you thought this was a bad thing

imposing your will upon another rightly has a high threshold for activation. there are very few instances where you should be making any effort to influence the words coming out of another person.

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@BillRM,

That's why it's important to speak out and identify the bigots and purveyors of hate, BillRM. Next they may come for you...

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