So Saying That Folks Should Follow Christian Morals is NOW A Firing Offense

@maxdancona,

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I don't understand why Christians would stand up for such a loud-mouthed fool.

Well, now you know why no one listens to you.

@firefly,

You are wrong Firefly, Bashir said someone should go **** and piss in her mouth. The duck dude was asked a question about his beliefs. There is a difference but you can't or won't see it because I'm sure you happen to agree with Martin Bashir.

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@Baldimo,

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There is a difference

there is a difference in how free speech rights should be applied?

really?

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@ehBeth,

Can you yell fire in a crowded theater? Of course you can't. And yes there is a difference. Martin Bashir was wishing physical harm on another person. He was asking for someone to **** and piss in another persons mouth. The duck dude never did any such thing. He was asked for his opinion on what he thinks a sin is. He didn't call for physical abuse of gay people or minorities.

To be honest I didn't think Bashir should have been fired. Well he wasn't fired, he quit due to the controversy he created for calling on the physical harm of another person. Besides we all know that those on the left get away with much more in the speech area then those on the right. Those on the left can bash the religion of their choice (it just happens that the only religion they have a problem with is Christianity) and nothing ever happens to them.

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@Baldimo,

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You are wrong Firefly, Bashir said someone should go **** and piss in her mouth. The duck dude was asked a question about his beliefs. There is a difference but you can't or won't see it because I'm sure you happen to agree with Martin Bashir

Bashir was expressing his views about the horrors of slavery, which he gave examples of, along with his opinion of Sarah Palin, for failing to recognize the reality of what slavery was about when she made some remarks alluding to slavery. And, the controversial portion of what he said, was his feeling that she ought to be subjected to the types of degrading and dehumanizing punishments the slaves endured, if she really wanted to understand what it was like. He never suggested that someone should actually harm Palin.

And you apparently don't remember that Palin, on her PAC web site, showed Gabrielle Giffords' congressional district viewed through the cross-hairs of a gun sight. Was that to encourage a certain type of action against Giffords? Giffords did wind up getting shot. That sort of thing, that Palin did, is a lot more dangerous than the type of comment Bashir made.

Bashir was being paid to express his personal opinions--and he did just that.

That's no different than what the "duck dude" did. He expressed his personal views too, in a situation, I believe, he was also being paid for them.

And Bashir was fired, he simply was allowed to quit first.

There is no difference, Baldino. They are both media figures expressing personal opinions.

Either you support free speech consistently, or don't pretend you support it at all. This isn't a religious issue, this isn't a "yelling fire in a crowded theater" issue, it's a free speech issue.

And no, I don't agree with how Bashir chose to criticize Palin.

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@coldjoint,

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Well, now you know why no one listens to you.

They listen enough to keep responding to me. Some of them even respond in pink. (Actually, I have noticed that you have jumped into to pretty much every one of my threads. Your dedication to me is really sweet.)

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@firefly,

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You are wrong Firefly, Bashir said someone should go **** and piss in her mouth. The duck dude was asked a question about his beliefs. There is a difference but you can't or won't see it because I'm sure you happen to agree with Martin Bashir

firefly wrote:

Bashir was expressing his views about the horrors of slavery,
which he gave examples of, along with his opinion of Sarah Palin,
for failing to recognize the reality of what slavery was about
when she made some remarks alluding to slavery.

Will u reveal, Firefly, what she remarked about that ??

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@OmSigDAVID,

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Will u reveal, Firefly, what she remarked about that ??

Go look it up, David, I don't feel it's at all relevant to this discussion. If you're interested, search out her remarks, and Bashir's comments for yourself.

I'm only interested in the free speech aspect of this topic.

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@Baldimo,

Baldimo wrote:

Besides we all know that those on the left get away with much more in the speech area then those on the right.

that is 100% bullshit. in the U.S. you don't even have a left. it's right v right, just like the good old days of spy v spy

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@ehBeth,

Right vs. right? What delusion are you living in?

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@Baldimo,

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Besides we all know that those on the left get away with much more in the speech area then those on the right. Those on the left can bash the religion of their choice ...

Those on the right don't exhibit Islamophobia? Rolling Eyes

You've got to be kidding.

They also constantly try to smear Obama with the crazy claim he's really a Muslim--don't tell me these far-right evangelical wing-nuts respect Islam and don't do their share of Muslim-bashing..

I really don't see many people attacking Christianity--I think they resent having Christianity, or some people's interpretation of Christianity, rammed down their throats, or injected into what should be a secular government.

But that's really going way off topic...

Those who claim to support free speech should support it consistently, if they want to seem credible.

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For one thing, I wonder how you pull someone from a putative reality show when the reality is that he's an important part of the action. Apart from that, I'm inclined to agree that this is a publicity stunt, and that it's going to work. (We'll hear more from Phil.) It hasn't hurt the ticket sales for Richard Wagner's operas that the man was a rabid anti-semite and Hitler's favorite composer. Few people who like Rennaissance opera refrain from listening to Gesualdo, who committed multiple murders. And Likewise, few people will stop watching to Duck Dynasty just because the patriarch of the family has a screw loose. And I, for one, think that's a good thing. I don't like idiots on TV, but self-censorship on TV is more dangerous in the long run.

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@Thomas,

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I'm inclined to agree that this is a publicity stunt...

On whose part? If this is a top-rated show on A & E why do they need this sort of publicity stunt? I've never seen Duck Dynasty, but this isn't the kind of publicity that would want to make me see it.

The Duck Dynasty clan can always take their reality show to another cable network, if they aren't allowed to include Phil, since that may constitute a violation of their contract. Although their next season, already filmed and completed, is set to debut in Jan., and the patriarch is in all of the episodes. Would A & E just scrap the whole new season?

Keith Olbermann went to another cable network after MSNBC dumped him, and I fully expect Martin Bashir to pop up elsewhere.

The Duck Dynasty might just do that too...

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

I was just reading about this guy. I don't understand why Christians would stand up for such a loud-mouthed fool.

Why not? Both testaments of the Bible denounce homosexuality as a sin, and both testaments of the Bible affirm slavery. Christians who don't support homophobia and racism shouldn't stop at half-measures like this; they should renounce such barbaric cult. Those who do, however, should come right out and say it.

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@Thomas,

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Why not? Both testaments of the Bible denounce homosexuality as a sin,

I'm not sure that's true, particularly in the Old Testament. Where is homosexuality even mentioned, let alone considered "a sin" in the Old Testament?

They were discussing this on TV the other night and someone made the point that homosexuality is barely alluded to in the Bible, referring to the New Testament, and I don't think Jesus spoke about homosexuality at all--where it is mentioned, at all, I believe, was by one of the disciples.

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@firefly,

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Those on the right don't exhibit Islamophobia? Rolling Eyes

Islamophobia is another word used like club to silence critics of Islam. As you constantly use racist and bigot. It figures someone like you would use it. And Bill Maher has much to say about Islam. Is he on the right?

You are hopelessly brainwashed by liberal bullshit. And show it everytime you post.

And are these people Islamophobes or just dead Islamophobes?

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Islam's Latest Contributions to Peace "Mohammed is God's apostle. Those who follow him are harsh
to the unbelievers but merciful to one another" Quran 48:29

2013.12.19 (Baghdad, Iraq) - Seventeen Shia pilgrims on foot are blown to bits by a Sunni suicide bomber.
2013.12.19 (Abu Ghraib, Iraq) - A family of five, including three children are exterminated in their home by al-Qaeda.
2013.12.18 (Samarrah, Iraq) - A Shia child is machine-gunned by Sunni terrorists.
2013.12.18 (Miranshah, Pakistan) - At least five are killed by a Fedayeen suicide car-bomber.
2013.12.17 (Malindi, Kenya) - A man is kidnapped and beheaded by religious radicals.
2013.12.17 (Mahmoudiya, Iraq) - A half-dozen Shia pilgrims are exterminated by a Sunni suicide bomber.

* Sources for individual incidents can be provided upon request.

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I was thinking that if I was in this family I would argue that we should all get together in front of an interviewer and all say the same things that pops said..... dare the channel to fire us all, and then if they did say that this channel so misrepresents American values that we are glad to be gone.

I come from the school of "while I might disagree vehemently with everything you just said, I will defend to the death your right to say it."

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@Thomas,

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few people will stop watching to Duck Dynasty just because the patriarch of the family has a screw loose.

you fail to understand that a massive chunk of america believes that the dude is 100% correct, they are sure that it is people like you who have the loose screws.

If this show goes forwards the popularity is going to be a re-run of Chick-Fil-A 2013 and the decade preceding.

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@hawkeye10,

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I come from the school of "while I might disagree vehemently with everything you just said, I will defend to the death your right to say it."

So, you would defend Martin Bashir's right to say what he did about slavery and Sarah Palin? And you'd object to his firing too?

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@hawkeye10,

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you fail to understand that a massive chunk of america believes that the dude is 100% correct...

Where's your evidence for that?

This show, from what I understand, is popular for reasons other than the sort of personal beliefs this dude has and that he recently sounded off on.

You don't think he's correct do you? You've got an open marriage, you have sex with partners beside your wife, and this guy thinks infidelity and adultery are every bit as bad as the other sexual behaviors he's against.

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