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So Saying That Folks Should Follow Christian Morals is NOW A Firing Offense

 
 
Brandon9000
 
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Fri 20 Dec, 2013 07:52 pm
Had he been fired for expressing the opposite opinion, liberals would be screaming bloody murder. They guy has the right to his opinion and to state it publicly.
hawkeye10
 
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Fri 20 Dec, 2013 07:52 pm
@firefly,
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I come from the school of "while I might disagree vehemently with everything you just said, I will defend to the death your right to say it."

So, you would defend Martin Bashir's right to say what he did about slavery and Sarah Palin?

sure, If I run the network he would not be so crude on my time, but if he said it somewhere else I would not care. I almost never agree that employers should have the right to fire people for stuff that happens off the job. My right to say or do anything about what you do only exists during the hours that I am paying you.
coldjoint
 
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Fri 20 Dec, 2013 07:55 pm
@Brandon9000,
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Had he been fired for expressing the opposite opinion


That is all there is to it.
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hawkeye10
 
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Fri 20 Dec, 2013 07:55 pm
@firefly,
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Where's your evidence for that?

I understand Red State America, I come from what was a very conservative city and some of my family come from deeply conservative rural America.
coldjoint
 
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Fri 20 Dec, 2013 08:02 pm
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Liberal, lesbian Camile Paglia approves of Phil Robertson

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Here’s the text of her comment.

“I speak with authority here because I was openly gay before the ‘Stonewall Rebellion,’ when it cost you something to be so,” she said. “And I personally feel as a libertarian that people have the right to free thought and free speech. In a democratic country, people have the right to be homophobic as they have the right to support homosexuality — as I 100 percent do. If people are basing their views against gays on the Bible, again they have a right to religious freedom there … to express yourself in a magazine in an interview -– this is the level of punitive PC, utterly fascist, utterly Stalinist, OK, that my liberal colleagues in the Democratic party and on college campuses have supported and promoted over the last several decades. It’s the whole legacy of the free speech 1960′s that have been lost by my own party.


http://www.theminorityreportblog.com/2013/12/20/liberal-lesbian-camile-paglia-approves-phil-robertson/
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firefly
 
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Fri 20 Dec, 2013 08:03 pm
@hawkeye10,
If you truly believe, "while I might disagree vehemently with everything you just said, I will defend to the death your right to say it."

Why wouldn't you defend Bashir's right to express any opinion, on air, on a program where you were paying him to express his opinions, particularly about political figures and issues? That's just what he did, he expressed an opinion about a political figure, and political commentator, Sarah Palin, regarding very specific remarks she made.

So, why would you fire him? What happened to "I will defend to the death your right to say it".
coldjoint
 
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Fri 20 Dec, 2013 08:20 pm
@firefly,
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Muslim Cleric Issues Fatwa Permitting Burning Gays Alive…


Watch out gay Islamophobes!!!!
http://weaselzippers.us/2013/12/20/muslim-cleric-issues-fatwa-permitting-burning-gays-alive/
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firefly
 
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Fri 20 Dec, 2013 08:26 pm
@hawkeye10,
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I understand Red State America, I come from what was a very conservative city and some of my family come from deeply conservative rural America.

That doesn't mean "a large chunk of America" agrees with duck dude.

You've got an open marriage, you have sex with partners beside your wife, and this guy thinks infidelity and adultery are every bit as bad as the other sexual behaviors he's against. So, in his book, you're as big a "sinner" as any gay man, and he probably sees you as being one half-step removed from bestiality.

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"Start with homosexual behavior and just morph from there," Robertson, 67, said when asked what is sinful. "Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men."

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/duck-dynasty-star-verbally-attacks-gay-people-newly-emerged-video-article-1.1553737#ixzz2o4VZ4rFo

Given the frequency of pre-marital sex, and extra-marital sex, in this country, I really doubt that "a large chunk of America" agrees with this guy. His fan base for his sexual views would mainly be the extreme religious right.
hawkeye10
 
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Fri 20 Dec, 2013 08:33 pm
@firefly,
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That doesn't mean "a large chunk of America" agrees with duck dude.

You've got an open marriage, you have sex with partners beside your wife, and this guy thinks infidelity and adultery are every bit as bad as the other sexual behaviors he's against. So, in his book, you're as big as "sinner" as any gay man, and he probably seems you as being one half-step removed from bestiality

and we run across some very religious and also very conservative folks who have none the less made it into our lifestyle, so that is not the thing. It is a rural conservatism that we see in the duck dude, and mostly lower class at that, but there are a lot of them. Where the duck dude and the conservatives in my family seem to split is that my family mostly believes in "live and let live", they believe what they believe but they dont much care what you do other than in a Jerry Springer laugh at others and shake the finger at others to feel better about themselves sense . I am not sure at this point that Duck Dude disagrees with that though, the quotes I have seen dont seem all that bossy, it seems to partially come from "this is what I believe, this is what I do". I plan to read the article.
firefly
 
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Fri 20 Dec, 2013 08:53 pm
@hawkeye10,
I think if Duck Dude had been expressing these kinds of views on his reality show, it would never have gained the popularity it has.

It remains to be seen whether viewers. now knowing how this man thinks, will be too turned off, or offended, by his views, to still enjoy the show any more.

I can no longer watch Mel Gibson in a movie, even his old movies, because of what he's revealed about himself--it definitely interferes with my ability to enjoy any of his performances, I have an emotional reaction to the man.

On the other hand, I never agreed with any of the protests and calls for boycotts of Vanessa Redgrave's films because of her support of the Palestinians many decades ago, even though I didn't agree with her views at the time. And it never interfered with my ability to enjoy her work--I think she's a fantastic actress.

So, whether Duck Dude, and the rest of the clan, remains popular may depend on how viewers react to him now.

hawkeye10
 
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Fri 20 Dec, 2013 08:59 pm
@firefly,
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I think if Duck Dude had been expressing these kinds of views on his reality show, it would never have gained the popularity it has.

are you kidding me? Have you seen Jerry Springer? How about Here Comes Honey Boo Boo?

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It remains to be seen whether viewers. now knowing how this man thinks, will be too turned off, or offended, by his views, to still enjoy the show any more
no, the viewers would come if the show goes on. The advertisers on the other hand probably not, which argues for killing the show. America is not a place where we can speak freely, where touchy subjects can be worked out. I blame the PC Police, which is a product of lack of confidence in self, reason and democracy.
hawkeye10
 
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Fri 20 Dec, 2013 09:06 pm
@firefly,
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On the other hand, I never agreed with any of the protests and calls for boycotts of Vanessa Redgrave's films because of her support of the Palestinians many decades ago, even though I didn't agree with her views at the time. And it never interfered with my ability to enjoy her work--I think she's a fantastic actress.
or boycotting Jane Fonda over her political views on Vietnam. I care about the art, not the artist. I care about the idea, not who is currently giving it a voice.

George Carlin however was a subversive mother ****** but somehow that was OK. I am still trying to figure out why he could say stuff the rest of us can not.
firefly
 
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Fri 20 Dec, 2013 09:08 pm
@hawkeye10,
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Have you seen Jerry Springer? How about Here Comes Honey Boo Boo?

I don't watch Honey Boo Boo because I find those people just plan boring.

I never liked the Jerry Springer show, but I haven't found Springer himself offense.
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no, the viewers would come if the show goes on...

I'm not sure you can predict that now--nor can A & E. Viewers never heard this sort of stuff from this man before.
hawkeye10
 
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Fri 20 Dec, 2013 09:11 pm
@firefly,
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Viewers never heard this sort of stuff from this man before

I dont know that, on talk radio today they did 5 minutes of clips of this show that seem all about as offensive as what Duck Dude said to this mag, and it was all ha ha.
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firefly
 
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Fri 20 Dec, 2013 09:27 pm
@hawkeye10,
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or boycotting Jane Fonda over her political views on Vietnam. I care about the art, not the artist. I care about the idea, not who is currently giving it a voice.

I never agreed with the boycotts of Fonda either. But, if you have a strong, negative, visceral response to an actor, because of their off-screen behaviors or opinions, as many people did with Fonda, and as I experience now toward Mel Gibson, you can't focus on the art, because of the competing negative emotions they arouse.

So, with Duck Dude, I think it will depend on whether his views affect how his fans feel about watching him now. Reactions are emotional, not just intellectual.

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George Carlin however was a subversive mother ****** but somehow that was OK. I am still trying to figure out why he could say stuff the rest of us can not.

He was a very funny man. And he wasn't "in your face" or threatening. And he wasn't really offensive or provocative in the way that someone like Lenny Bruce was to some people--that poor man was hounded to death, almost literally. Carlin was brilliant. Not too many people are.
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firefly
 
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Fri 20 Dec, 2013 09:45 pm
@hawkeye10,
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America is not a place where we can speak freely, where touchy subjects can be worked out. I

I don't disagree with that.

And that's why I don't think either Alec Baldwin or Martin Bashir should have been fired by MSNBC.

The issues, with both, should have been resolved on the air by having them use their own comments as "teachable moments" worthy of discussion. Silencing both of them accomplished nothing, and it was a missed opportunity to accomplish some good.
hawkeye10
 
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Sat 21 Dec, 2013 12:43 am
@firefly,
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The issues, with both, should have been resolved on the air by having them use their own comments as "teachable moments" worthy of discussion. Silencing both of them accomplished nothing, and it was a missed opportunity to accomplish some good.

scripting a humiliation session is worse than worthless, what should happen is a debate, if they are wrong show them up as they try to defend their position. Real conversation in pursuit of truth and understanding.....are you old enough to remember when that happened, at least sometimes??
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Sat 21 Dec, 2013 01:49 am
@firefly,
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That Palin protests this man's suspension, as a freedom of speech issue, but fails to protest Bashir's firing, on exactly the same grounds, reveals the complete hypocrisy on her part...


Because if she was truly a supporter of Free Speech she would support the guy who suggested she needed to have someone urinate and defecate in her mouth.

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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Sat 21 Dec, 2013 01:55 am
@ehBeth,
Maybe to whacky lefty Canada, but everything is relative and we don't have to abide by the definitions of others, no matter how sophisticated they may be.

It's really not as different as as so many non-Americans in this forum claim, but even if is, so what?

If we recognize a lefty from a righty here, why should anyone in another country care?

You think we're all righties? That says as much, if not more, about you, I would argue, that it does about us.
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hawkeye10
 
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Sat 21 Dec, 2013 12:02 pm
so I was reading that the network knee jerked along the lines of the current fad of firing people for "bad" speech forgetting that this is a family unit thus has family loyalties, and forgetting that they need this family more than this family needs them. allegedly A&E is looking for a way to back down while keeping most of the skiddish advertisers content.

we shall see if they can figure something out.
 

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