Melissa Harris Perry. Isn't that the one who tells you the government and the community have more responsibility for your children than you? And also that the the phrase "Obamacare" is racist? Another zero in the liberal column.
No one is perfect. In general, Melissa is right on the mark. Moreover, she is about a thousand times more accurate than the cons out there.
I watch her show either on Saturday or Sunday mornings, I can't watch both days. She has the most race baiting show there is on television. There isn't a single one of her show's that doesn't aim to throw some sort of "racism" into the mix.
She also has a segment dedicated to her fans "Nerdland"? Really MHP, I haven't seen a single thing on your show that screams nerd or geek.
Really? Indeed, she likes to call out people for their racism, and the cons are very racist. E. g., they are doing their best to balance the budget on the backs of the poorest in our society, which certainly is the blacks. In the meantime, they seek to lower the taxes of the super-rich. The cons in power want to cut food stamps, and refuse to extend the 26-weeks of EI, even though, on average, it takes 37 weeks to find a job. As you well know, blacks are disproportionately unemployed.
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Finn dAbuzz
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Mon 23 Dec, 2013 05:13 pm
@maxdancona,
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Bashir made a comment that is directly disallowed under the US speech law: He incited violence against an individual. Period. No excuses.
This is a ridiculous claim. There is no sane person who would see Bashir's comment as an incitement of violence. This charge would be thrown out of court.
And yet how many liberals (yourself included) have contended right wing speech and even the symbols these use incites violence.
Bashir's comment was base and crude but I wouldn't consider it an incitement to violence any more than Palin saying certain Democrat politicians should be "targeted."
People should be able to say just about anything without suffering governmental censure or punishment, but there need not be legal protection from social and employer reaction.
No one is perfect. In general, Melissa is right on the mark. Moreover, she is about a thousand times more accurate than the cons out there.
Sharpton and Jackson too?
No, they are outright bigots, whom I despise. I don't think Melissa is a bigot.
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firefly
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Mon 23 Dec, 2013 05:14 pm
@coldjoint,
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Tell Zimmerman that.
Why, does Zimmerman voice these sort of inflammatory slurs about homosexuals too?
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“Women with women. Men with men. They committed indecent acts with one another. And they received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion,” Robertson said in the video. “They’re full of murder, envy, strife, hatred. They are insolent, arrogant God haters. They are heartless, they are faithless, they are senseless, they are ruthless, they invent ways of doing evil.” http://www.deadline.com/2013/12/ae-grapples-with-death-threats-and-clan-ultimatum-on-duck-dynasty-star-suspension/
Well, Zimmerman's an allegedly devout Catholic, so I'm sure I don't have to tell him what the Pope's been saying.
And yet how many liberals (yourself included) have contended right wing speech and even the symbols these use incites violence.
There you go with false equivalency again Finn.
Show me an example where I, or any other liberal, claims that right wing speech is "directly disallowed under the US speech law". I claim the exact opposite. Right wing hate speech is not only perfectly legal... it is beneficial to our political process.
That guy with the Confederate flag in front of the White House, for example, was awesome. And Rush Limbaugh has done more to help get progressives elected than anyone else I can think of.
And there you go again changing what I posted to suit what you want to write. Do you deny that you and other liberals have made the case that right-wing speech has incited violence?
There is no doubt that right-wing hate speech has incited violence. I remember Reagan and Nixon giving speeches that encouraged violence. E. g., Nixon suggested that bullies (silent majority) attack protesters against our actions in Nam.
Let's review again... slowly this time so you don't get lost.
1. Lash made the claim that Bashir's comment was "Disallowed under US law".
2. I called bullshit to the claim that Bashir's comment was disallowed under US law.
3. You responded the false equivalency that "liberals do it too".
4. I called bullshit again, because liberals haven't made claim that conservative hate speech is disallowed under US law.
Now let's go over the principle one more time...
- Bashir's statement was not against the law (and is protected as free speech)
- Republican hate speech is not against the law (and is protected as free speech).
- Liberal objection to Republican hate speech is not against the law, nor is liberal mocking of Republican Hate speech against the law (and both of these are protected as free speech).
Firefly, how stupid Palin is has nothing to do with a possible case against Bashir.
Suggesting people defecate and urinate in her mouth does open Bashir up to claims of inciting violence against her.
I think Gifford might have had just cause for a hearing against Palin as well.
Speech that is clearly hyperbolic, particularly political arena, are not considered threats.
There is no one who thinks that Bashir was actually threatening to defecate in Palin's mouth nor suggesting that anyone do so. It was a rather crude comment in opposition to Palin's politics, but no one thinks that Palin is in any risk of having **** enter her mouth (which would backwards from what usually happens).
The law, and court decisions are clear. See Watts v. US (a Supreme Court case involving a man miming shooting LBJ with a rifle).
I don't think the current fracas with A & E and Phil Robertson is a left/right issue, although the religious right, and the Republicans (like Palin, Cruz, etc.) who are trying to appeal to that base, seem to be trying to define it that way.
For many on the political right, gay rights, and gay marriage, are also family matters, they want the homosexual members of their families, or their homosexual friends, to have equal rights, and they don't want them vilified, or insulted, or denigrated for their sexual orientation--it's a personal matter that crosses political lines.
A very good example of that is Dick Cheney, who supports same sex marriage.
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Lately, one his daughters has been expressing her public disagreement with him on that score, something that appears to be painful for him to have to deal with, even as he tries to support her, as well as her lesbian sister.
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Dick Cheney Defends Daughter Liz in Gay Marriage Family Feud
By Abby D. Phillip
Nov 18, 2013
Former Vice President Dick Cheney waded into a spat between his daughters, Liz Cheney and Mary Cheney, who is openly gay, saying that Liz’s kindness to her sister shouldn’t be used to “distort” her position supporting “traditional marriage.”
One day after the two sisters appeared to take their disagreement public, Cheney and his wife, Lynne, issued a statement defending their daughter Liz, who is running for Senate in Wyoming.
“Liz has always believed in the traditional definition of marriage,” the Cheneys said in a statement today. “She has also always treated her sister and her sister’s family with love and respect, exactly as she should have done.
“Compassion is called for, even when there is disagreement about such a fundamental matter and Liz’s many kindnesses shouldn’t be used to distort her position,” they added.
The statement made no mention of Mary Cheney, 44, or her wife, Heather Poe.
Liz Cheney, who is challenging the Republican incumbent Sen. Mike Enzi of Wyoming in 2014, said on Fox News Sunday that she and her sister “disagree” on the issue of gay marriage.
“I do believe it’s an issue that’s got to be left up to states,” Liz Cheney, 47, said. “I do believe in the traditional definition of marriage.”
The comment prompted Mary Cheney’s wife to issue a bruising statement on Facebook, which suggested that her sister-in-law welcomed their relationship privately.
“Liz has been a guest in our home, has spent time and shared holidays with our children, and when Mary and I got married in 2012 – she didn’t hesitate to tell us how happy she was for us,” Poe wrote on Facebook Sunday. “To have her now say she doesn’t support our right to marry is offensive to say the least.
“I can’t help but wonder how Liz would feel if as she moved from state to state, she discovered that her family was protected in one but not the other.”
Poe’s statement was quickly endorsed in a separate statement by Mary, who has two children.
Poe and Cheney married in 2012, and Dick Cheney has been publicly supportive of same-sex marriage since 2009.
But Liz Cheney, locked in a Senate primary with Enzi, has sought to run to the sitting senator’s right flank.
The Cheney parents suggested, however, that the family rift over the issue existed long before the Senate bid by Cheney, who has five children.
I wonder how Dick Cheney feels about having his lesbian daughter characterized in the offensive way Robertson has done.
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“Women with women. Men with men. They committed indecent acts with one another. And they received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion,” Robertson said in the video. “They’re full of murder, envy, strife, hatred. They are insolent, arrogant God haters. They are heartless, they are faithless, they are senseless, they are ruthless, they invent ways of doing evil.” http://www.deadline.com/2013/12/ae-grapples-with-death-threats-and-clan-ultimatum-on-duck-dynasty-star-suspension/
I somehow don't think Cheney would join Palin, and Cruz, and Jindel, in supporting duck dude's comments, or denoucing A & E's action, although he'd likely recognize and support the right of both those parties to express their views.
Recognizing full and equal civil rights, for everyone, really isn't a left/right issue--and it shouldn't be one.
You are right here. But the issue does seem to separate along left/right lines. It's interesting that's it's ok to denigrate 'the other side' unless it's part of the family. I will admit that I don't recall hearing Mr. Cheney placing a lot of blame based on race or sexual orientation. I don't recall him saying much on internal social issues. You are correct though, this isn't strictly a left / right issue. It seems more associated with religion.
There is no one who thinks that Bashir was actually threatening to defecate in Palin's mouth nor suggesting that anyone do so. It was a rather crude comment in opposition to Palin's politics...
It wasn't even said in opposition to Palin's politics, the whole rant was about his feeling that Palin is monumentally stupid, partly based on a comment she made comparing something to slavery. It was a personal attack on her for her ignorance and choice of words, and her lack of appreciation for what real slavery was all about. And he definitely wasn't suggesting that anyone actually do anything to Palin.
There was nothing remotely illegal in anything Bashir said. And he has rightly apologized to Palin for his comments.
