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So Saying That Folks Should Follow Christian Morals is NOW A Firing Offense

 
 
firefly
 
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Mon 23 Dec, 2013 12:42 pm
@coldjoint,
Quote:
And I think if you did not have the word bigot, you would have nothing to say

You may be right in your case. I have little to say to you beyond the fact I think you are a bigoted idiot.
coldjoint
 
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Mon 23 Dec, 2013 12:51 pm
@firefly,
Bigots have no valid reasons, I do.. People who call people bigots have no argument.
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maxdancona
 
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Mon 23 Dec, 2013 12:51 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

Quote:
If I think you're a bigoted idiot, I'm going to say so. And I believe I've already said that to you in the past.


And I think if you did not have the word bigot, you would have nothing to say.



He would still think you are an idiot.
coldjoint
 
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Mon 23 Dec, 2013 12:53 pm
@maxdancona,
Quote:
He would still think you are an idiot.


We know you are. Start another thread fool.
maxdancona
 
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Mon 23 Dec, 2013 12:56 pm
@coldjoint,
Sorry Sweet Cheeks. I was just making a joke. You know I love you.

firefly
 
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Mon 23 Dec, 2013 12:58 pm
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A letter to Bobby Jindal on ‘Duck Dynasty,’ and freedom of speech
12/21/13
By Joy Reid

In next month’s GQ magazine, readers are treated to a very different version of the Louisiana duck hunters who star in A&Es megahit, feel-good reality show “Duck Dynasty.”

Not the highly edited, apolitical portrayal of a family who are all about eatin’ squirrels and shootin’ ducks. Oh, no. The GQ interview with “Duck Dynasty” patriarch Phil Robertson gave us all the stuff that gets left on the cutting room floor, raw and uncut.

Like this gem on growing up in Jim Crow Louisiana:

“I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person…. They’re singing and happy….Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.”

Or his equating homosexuality to a sin, on par with bestiality, and any manner of:

“adulterers, idolators, male prostitutes, greedy, drunkards, slanderers, and swindlers.”

Now, a reality star doing or saying off the wall things shouldn’t come as much of a surprise by now. But an elected official jumping in and high-fiving him? That is what you call political dynamite.

So this week I’m sending a letter to the guy who just blew himself to smithereens.

Dear Governor Bobby Jindal:

It’s me, Joy. Mind if I call you Bobby?

We’ve corresponded with you so much here on “MHP,” I feel like we can be familiar. By now, we’ve become pretty well acquainted, so I’m just going to level with you: Bobby, you’ve changed.

Weren’t you the guy–who after the GOP shellacking in the 2012 election–issued this mandate to your party going forward:

“We’ve got to stop being the stupid party… It’s no secret we’ve had a number of Republicans this year who damanged the brand this year with bizarre comments. I’m here to say we’ve had enough of that.”

“Stop being stupid.” Your words, Bobby, not mine.

But then this week you went and dived right into “the stupid” when you felt the need to issue a statement about A&E’s decision to suspend Phil Robertson, saying:

“The politically correct crowd is tolerant of all viewpoints, except those they disagree with…. this is a free country and everyone is entitled to express their views. In fact, I remember when TV networks believed in the First Amendment. It is a messed up situation when Miley Cyrus gets a laugh, and Phil Robertson gets suspended.”

Bobby, I’m not sure how you managed to get picked to run an entire state without understanding the very first item on the founding document of the country that state is a part of.

The First Amendment to the Constitution does not guarantee the inaliable right to be on a reality-TV show.

It is meant to protect the free speech of American citizens from being silenced by an act of Congress. And A&E is a company–owned in part by other, larger, publicly traded companies. It does not in any way qualify as Congress, or “the government,” or an agent of the state.

So it doesn’t really matter whether or not TV networks believe in the First Amendment. Because they are not, in fact, bound by it. Look it up. It’s right there in the Bill of Rights, right at the top.

But do you know who does count as the government Bobby? You.

And you just used your position as governor of Louisiana to condemn a corporation for making a business decision it deemed to be in the best interest of its bottom line.

And here I thought Republicans were supposed to be *against* big government telling businesses what to do.

Or is there an exception when you’re the one doing the telling?

Besides, freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences. Phil Robertson learned that lesson this week. And my guess is, should you run for President, ‘round about two years from now, you will too.

See, just because we won’t ever hear Robertson’s comments on Duck Dynasty, doesn’t mean we have not heard them. And Bobby, let’s be clear–you just spoke out in support of the guy who fondly recalls happy black people singing while working in the Louisiana fields and who equates LGBT Americans with people who have sex with animals.

So don’t be surprised if your words - and his words - come back to haunt you in an opposition ad in 2016. But hey maybe you can convince American voters that you were just, you know, expressing your views.

Once those voters are at the ballot box, I’m sure they’ll be more than happy to exercise that same right, and express their views about you too.

Sincerely,
Joy

http://www.msnbc.com/melissa-harris-perry/duck-dynasty-bobby-jindal-free-speech
coldjoint
 
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Mon 23 Dec, 2013 01:00 pm
@maxdancona,
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Sorry Sweet Cheeks. I was just making a joke. You know I love you.


No you don't, because I have pointed out that you are a blowhole who doesn't know what the **** he is talking about.
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Baldimo
 
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Mon 23 Dec, 2013 01:10 pm
@firefly,
I'm laughing so hard at you guys on the left right now. This has really made my week!
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coldjoint
 
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Mon 23 Dec, 2013 01:21 pm
Melissa Harris Perry. Isn't that the one who tells you the government and the community have more responsibility for your children than you? And also that the the phrase "Obamacare" is racist? Another zero in the liberal column.
Baldimo
 
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Mon 23 Dec, 2013 01:26 pm
@coldjoint,
I watch her show either on Saturday or Sunday mornings, I can't watch both days. She has the most race baiting show there is on television. There isn't a single one of her show's that doesn't aim to throw some sort of "racism" into the mix.

She also has a segment dedicated to her fans "Nerdland"? Really MHP, I haven't seen a single thing on your show that screams nerd or geek.
firefly
 
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Mon 23 Dec, 2013 02:12 pm
@Baldimo,
Duh...Melissa Harris-Perry is not the one whose name is on that article. Laughing

No wonder you always wind up distorting things so much. You can't even read accurately Laughing
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Thomas
 
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Mon 23 Dec, 2013 03:12 pm
@engineer,
engineer wrote:
I guess if A&E takes a moral, Christian stand that hatred and bigotry are wrong they will be boycotted. Such is the world.

Hatred and bigotry against lots of people are the Christian stand, if the Christian stand is defined by what's in the Bible. (I'm well aware that there are many Christian churches who are not bigoted, indeed work very hard to overcome bigotry. But they all depend on heavy cherry-picking from, and creative interpretation of, the Bible.)
OmSigDAVID
 
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Mon 23 Dec, 2013 03:17 pm
@Thomas,
Thomas wrote:

Hatred and bigotry against lots of people are[/k] the Christian stand,
if the Christian stand is defined by what's in the Bible.
Out of curiosity, is there something in particular that u have in mind ?
Thomas
 
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Mon 23 Dec, 2013 03:32 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
The first three that come to my mind are the death penalty for consensual sex, the support of slavery (including the permission to beat slaves to death on a whim, if only they die on the next day or later), and the stoning to death of juveniles who do drugs and talk back to their parents. As a bonus, I'll mention the indiscriminate slaughtering of every Egyptian's firstborn, guilty or innocent. It should probably be on top of the list.

Richard Dawkins was undoubtedly correct when he wrote: "The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully." Following his morals should be a firing offense in a decent business.
coldjoint
 
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Mon 23 Dec, 2013 04:31 pm
@Thomas,
Why do people take Christianity apart and build Islam up? A rhetorical question.
IRFRANK
 
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Mon 23 Dec, 2013 04:39 pm
I'm glad this thread has devolved into to usual name calling. I'm sure someone will come along and point out that it's all the liberals fault. I am surprised more blame hasn't been placed on Obama. It is interesting how Phil went from being the accuser in his comments, pointing out the 'others' at fault, to being the victim. I have a hard time seeing this character as the victim.

We do have a cultural war going on in this country. The internet and even this forum is the battleground. The mass media is the big show. I don't see much good coming from it.

maxdancona
 
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Mon 23 Dec, 2013 04:41 pm
@coldjoint,
I think most of us feel Christianity and Islam are equal. I don't see anyone building Islam up.

coldjoint
 
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Mon 23 Dec, 2013 04:43 pm
@IRFRANK,
This forum is a microcosm, like many others on the web. And media is not only the show, it supplies the narrative.
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coldjoint
 
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Mon 23 Dec, 2013 04:47 pm
@maxdancona,
Quote:
I think most of us feel Christianity and Islam are equal. I don't see anyone building Islam up.


Don't try thinking or speaking for others. One, it is not your forte, and the other is not your place.

And Einstein, rhetorical questions are not supposed to be answered.
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firefly
 
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Mon 23 Dec, 2013 04:54 pm
@Thomas,
Quote:
Hatred and bigotry against lots of people are the Christian stand, if the Christian stand is defined by what's in the Bible...

Even the Pope appears to be working against bigotry.
Quote:
Pope Francis on gays: 'Who am I to judge?'
By John L. Allen Jr. and Hada Messia, CNN
July 29th, 2013

Aboard the Papal Airplane (CNN) - Pope Francis said Monday that he will not "judge" gays and lesbians, including gay priests, signaling a shift from his predecessor and offering another sign that the new pope is committed to changing the church's approach to historically marginalized groups....

But it was the pope's remarks on homosexuality - the fact that the head of a 1 billion-member church said that it's not his place to judge gays - that caused the widest stir.

"Pope Francis's brief comment on gays reveals great mercy," said the Rev. James Martin, a Jesuit priest and editor at America, a Catholic magazine based in New York.

"Today Pope Francis has, once again, lived out the Gospel message of compassion for everyone," Martin said.

The pope addressed the issue of an alleged "gay lobby" within the church. Hints that the Holy See contained a network of gay clergy surfaced last year in reports about a series of embarrassing leaks to Italian journalists.

The "Vatileaks" scandal factored in Benedict's shocking decision to resign this year, according to some church experts, as it impressed upon the 86-year-old pontiff that the modern papacy requires a vigorous and watchful presence.

"There's a lot of talk about the gay lobby, but I've never seen it on the Vatican ID card!" Francis said.

"When I meet a gay person, I have to distinguish between their being gay and being part of a lobby. If they accept the Lord and have goodwill, who am I to judge them? They shouldn't be marginalized. The tendency (to homosexuality) is not the problem ... they're our brothers."

The problem, he said was, lobbies that work against the interest of the church.
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/07/29/pope-francis-on-gays-who-am-i-to-judge/


So, compassion, brotherly love, and non-judgmental acceptance, are also part of the "Christian stand" as well.
Quote:
New International Version (NIV)

30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’[a] 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.”

Footnotes:
a.Mark 12:30 Deut. 6:4,5
b.Mark 12:31 Lev. 19:18
http://www.biblegateway.com/preferences/


I think I much prefer the non-judgmental attitude toward homosexuals the Pope is expressing to those who think like Phil Robertson.
 

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