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Paul Wolfowitz says, don't harm the Iranians

 
 
Reply Tue 26 Nov, 2013 07:55 pm
However, he wants to continue the embargo, and forget the recent agreement to reduce their nuclear capabilities for weapons development.

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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 26 Nov, 2013 08:23 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Important issues about the agreement.
From AP
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DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) — Even before Iran's envoys could pack their bags in Geneva after wrapping up a first-step nuclear deal with world powers, President Hassan Rouhani was opening a potentially tougher diplomatic front: selling the give-and-take to his country's powerful insider interests led by the Revolutionary Guard.

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Iran's ability to fulfill its part of the six-month bargain — which includes greater access for U.N. inspectors and a cap on the level of uranium enrichment — will depend largely on the Guard and its network.

The Guard's influence stretches from the missile batteries outside key nuclear facilities to the production of the equipment inside. It runs from companies making Iran's long-range missiles to paramilitary units that cover every inch of the country.

Rouhani's praise for the deal announced Sunday has sounded at times like snippets from the national anthem.

"The Iranian nation again displayed dignity and grandeur," he said in a televised address. He went on to laud the "glorious" affirmation that Iran can continue uranium enrichment under the accord — at levels that can power Iran's lone energy-producing reactor but well below what's needed to approach weapons-grade material.

Rouhani ended the speech by trying to give the country's nuclear efforts a sense of homespun honor. Borrowing from the political theater playbook of his predecessor, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, he surrounded himself with relatives of Iranian nuclear scientists killed in ambush-style attacks blamed by Iran on Israel and its allies.

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FILE - In this Sunday, Sept. 25, 2011 file photo, members of Iran's Revolutionary Guards, participat …
But Rouhani is also appealing to the more practical interests of the Guard, whose clout translates into cash. The Guard has a hand in some of the biggest money-generating enterprises in Iran, including import-export gatekeepers and real estate holdings. Its leaders likely recognize that easing Western sanctions will help their bottom line.

What may be a harder point of persuasion is beyond the accord. The Revolutionary Guard must be comfortable that the deal isn't a prelude to broader diplomatic overtures with Washington that could undermine its standing and reach, which include aiding Lebanon's Hezbollah and Syrian President Bashar Assad's forces.

A veteran commentator on Iranian affairs, Ehsan Ahrari, said the "schizophrenic nature" of Iran's domestic leadership — one side extolling the accord and the other side wary — stands as the biggest wild card in the Geneva deal.

Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the ultimate authority, has the final word in all key matters and, for the moment, sides with Rouhani on the nuclear talks and the parallel outreach to the U.S. after more than three decades of diplomatic estrangement. The nuclear deal also appears to have widespread public support as a change to ease Iran's international isolation and perhaps open the way for serious rollbacks on sanctions if the initial six-month phase moves ahead as planned.
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tsarstepan
 
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Reply Tue 26 Nov, 2013 08:51 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:


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That anyone would listen to... let alone allow Paul Wolfowitz to try to influence anyone's foreign policy or have anything to do with politics even dog catcher policies of the smallest town in nowhere Alaska.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 26 Nov, 2013 09:10 pm
Making any deal with Iran is a joke. Obama should know better than anyone that they are lying, and only seek more monies to get and use the bomb.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 26 Nov, 2013 09:38 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint, You're the joke on a2k. Where did you learn about politics? From FOX News?

Explain why any deal with Iran is a joke?
Anybody can lie, but not when they allow free access and investigation into their nuclear program.

If they don't follow the rules of their agreement, all agreements are cancelled, and all sanctions can be increased.

Where's the loss?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 26 Nov, 2013 09:47 pm
@coldjoint,
The Koran (and the Hadith) does not explain the situation in any way about the nuclear agreement with Iran. It has to do with international enforcement of nuclear regulations.

You're not only a joke, but a stupid one!

**** off? Are you a teenager? LOL Mr. Green
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 26 Nov, 2013 09:54 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
The Koran (and the Hadith) does not explain the situation in any way about the nuclear agreement with Iran. It has to do with international enforcement of nuclear regulations.


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Qur'an 9:3 "Allah and His Messenger dissolve obligations."
Qur'an 66:2 "Allah has already sanctioned for you the dissolution of your vows."
Bukhari:V4B52N268 "Allah's Apostle said, 'War is deceit.'"
Qur'an 4:142 "Surely the hypocrites strive to deceive Allah. He shall retaliate by deceiving them."


Those verses explain exactly what to expect when dealing with Islam. Those verses are just as relative today as the day they were written down.

Failing to admit that will destroy the world sooner rather than later.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 26 Nov, 2013 10:13 pm
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"If you choose to live here (in America) ... you have a responsibility to deliver the message of Islam," he said.

Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant, he said. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth, he said.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2006/12/did-cair-founder-say-islam-to-rule-america.html
This is what the leader of CAIR says. You don't think he means it? How dumb are you.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 26 Nov, 2013 10:27 pm
@cicerone imposter,

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**** off? Are you a teenager? LOL Mr. Green


No I am not. I am also not the one going around insulting people either, until they do it to me. You arrogant blowhole.
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Tue 26 Nov, 2013 10:41 pm
@cicerone imposter,
On another thread someone thinks coldjoint is our old friend H2O.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 26 Nov, 2013 10:45 pm
@RABEL222,
Does anything about have anything to do with the topic?
I have stated Iran is playing the Western world. And the action of Islamists around the world back me up. Whether it is the genocide in N.Africa or the ghetto in a major European city Islam brings violence and death.
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Moment-in-Time
 
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Reply Tue 26 Nov, 2013 10:56 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
However, he wants to continue the embargo, and forget the recent agreement to reduce their nuclear capabilities for weapons development.

What's wrong with this picture?


Paul Wolfowitz was one of the chief architects of the illegal invasion into Iraq. He said and I quote: "Iraq is swimming in oil." He's right in that quote because if all Iraq's natural oil fields were explored they would dwarf the oil fields of Saudi Arabia.

Wolfowitz is a neoconservative and if they had their way today they would be invading Iran. It is the Neoconservatives whose lobbyists working on behalf of Bibi Netanyahu who are whipping up the congress against the President who made a gesture towards diplomacy regarding Iran. If Romney or McCain were in office instead of Obama who believes in diplomacy first, we might be waging an unnecessary war against the Persian nation. Once Obama is gone, and perchance a right-wing Republican gets into office, again we will see the Neoconservatives rise, trying to rearrange the middle east for Israel.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 26 Nov, 2013 11:07 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
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Wolfowitz is a neoconservative and if they had their way today they would be invading Iran. It is the Neoconservatives whose lobbyists working on behalf of Bibi Netanyahu who are whipping up the congress against the President who made a gesture towards diplomacy regarding Iran.


And the Ayatollah is a crazy ******* Muslim. Which one is scarier?

The Ayatollah hands down.
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Moment-in-Time
 
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Reply Tue 26 Nov, 2013 11:17 pm
@tsarstepan,
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That anyone would listen to... let alone allow Paul Wolfowitz to try to influence anyone's foreign policy or have anything to do with politics even dog catcher policies of the smallest town in nowhere Alaska.


Watching Wolfowiz on the Rachael Maddaw show revealed a pathetically aging befuddled person who thinks himself relevant in a world where his kind simply do not belong. Here he is complaining because the Obama administration made a stab at peace with Iran when HE and his llk deliberately invaded a sovereign nation, killing over 100,000 Iraqis, displacing many, maiming hundreds, along with the lost of 4,500 + American military and many belonging to the Coalition of the Willing who were duped by Cheney, Rice, Powell, Wolofwitz, Rumsfeld, etc. The illegal invasion of Iraq is unforgivable. The irrational Wolfowitz thinks sanctions should be strengthened....along with the screeching Netanyahu.....these men hungering for war against Iran will surely have a few years to wait unless Israel strikes that nation first. I have never known a country so eager to go to war, at least one as well fortified with the latest in super military advanced equipment and having the edge over all her neighbors in the region. One can only conjecture, Hitler did a number on the Jewish people who seem to forget they are the European foreigners in Arab land.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 26 Nov, 2013 11:20 pm
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pathetically aging befuddled person


The Ayatollah wins again!
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 26 Nov, 2013 11:41 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I was interested in replying to this topic, but then I saw that CI was the originator.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 27 Nov, 2013 12:08 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Good. I enjoy reading people's writings who makes common sense without the need to attack me instead of what I write, and post something meaningful on the topic.

I challenge anybody who writes bull **** instead of well thought out, supportable opinions like MiT. They are welcome to challenge what I write - any time.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 27 Nov, 2013 06:07 am
@cicerone imposter,
One of the main problems is that the Status Quo benefits no one. The West has an opportunity to actually make a difference. The last time we had a window of opportunity was shortly after 9/11 when Jack Straw visited Iran, and started rapprochement. Like America Iran had had its own problems with Taliban extremists in Afghanistan, including the murder of Iranian diplomats.

All this hard work was thrown out of the window by George Bush's inane 'axis of evil' speech. After that Ahmadinejad was elected president and Iran moved to undermine the West's actions in Afghanistan and Iraq. Things could have been very different, and there would have been less casualties, on both sides, as a result. The only beneficiaries of the war in Iraq were the Iranians anyway. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

Iran has never attacked/invaded another sovereign country. Iran had a democratically elected government that was ousted in a CIA/MI6 backed coup. Presidential candidates jokingly sing 'Bomb, bomb, bomb, Iran,' out on the campaign trail. It's easy to see who the aggressor is.

One major scandal is the amount of people dying in Iran because of lack of medicine. This shouldn't happen because the embargo shouldn't stop medical supplies getting through, but so many companies are put off doing legitimate business with Iran because of fear of being put on a black list. Assurances should be given to firms who legally trade with Iran, that this will not happen.

Let's not forget that the ordinary Iranians are probably the most pro-Western group of people in the Middle East.
revelette
 
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Reply Wed 27 Nov, 2013 07:32 am
@izzythepush,
Very good post, Izzythepush, (shorten to izzy?).
 

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