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Muezzin calling for prayer drives Londoners mad.

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 15 Nov, 2013 09:45 am
@Foofie,
Foofie wrote:
Britain's Christian ancestors converted through kind and pleasant missionaries/priests/friars. Same with Germany.
You totally misunderstood my response.
But since I can't speak or write in Hebrew, since my Yiddish ("jiddisch") just is at an level to read sources (if written in Latin), since you don't speak German nor French nor Latin - I must live with the fact that my English is close but no cigar.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 15 Nov, 2013 09:47 am
@Foofie,
Foofie wrote:
I just don't understand how Jesus can talk about his "father," yet that refers to an alternative form of himself?
I suppose that there a few free online courses about this by various Christian churches.

Edited: google lists many.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Fri 15 Nov, 2013 09:48 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Foofie wrote:
Britain's Christian ancestors converted through kind and pleasant missionaries/priests/friars. Same with Germany.
You totally misunderstood my response.
But since I can't speak or write in Hebrew, since my Yiddish ("jiddisch") just is at an level to read sources (if written in Latin), since you don't speak German nor French nor Latin - I must live with the fact that my English is close but no cigar.


I just speak English. And, I would think you do understand my point. That being that one should not compare Islamic institutions to Christian/British institutions, since from the inception of each respective "flock" conversion was either by choice, or mandated.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Fri 15 Nov, 2013 11:35 am
@Foofie,
Quote:
That being that one should not compare Islamic institutions to Christian/British institutions,


Comparing Islam to any other faith is a modern problem. In the past there was no comparison because the real Islam was known, and rejected, and militarily repelled.

The fact that people think Islam has changed is a misconception and serious mistake. And the excuses solve nothing. While the problem of terror and intimidation is our(the Wests) problem, Muslims are not doing one thing to stop it.

Why do you think that is? Any other group would be called out. But that is because other groups won't kill you. Islam will and does. The fact that murder, genocide in Egypt and Africa,of Christians is largely ignored says it all. So why you defend the liberal panacea which is bullshit, more die, more are gang raped, and more killers are granted asylum.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 15 Nov, 2013 12:08 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
Comparing Islam to any other faith is a modern problem. In the past there was no comparison because the real Islam was known, and rejected, and militarily repelled.
I suppose, you never have read anything about medieval history in Europe and the near east.

Luther wrote: "Let the Turk believe and live as he will, just as one lets the papacy and other false Christians live." (Vom Kriege wider die Türken, 1528)

However, Luther liked the Turks more than the Papists (the Pope being an anti-Christ in his opinion), or the Jews (described by him as "the Devils incarnate").


It is said that Erasmus (Desiderius Erasmus Roterodamus) laid a foundation for religious toleration in his De libero arbitrio - at least, he started to ask for tolerance.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Fri 15 Nov, 2013 12:11 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
You have guessed wrong. And what Martin Luther said is irrelevant. Many religious men have, and continue to, misunderstand Islam.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 15 Nov, 2013 12:22 pm
@coldjoint,
Sorry. Most probably are European professors of medieval history have no clues at all.

However, I just tried to give a different evidence re what you wrote: "Comparing Islam to any other faith is a modern problem." Luther did it - and he actually didn't write just one boo but several 'papers' ... as did quite a few others (what you know, since you are well-read in European and near east medieval history).
coldjoint
 
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Reply Fri 15 Nov, 2013 10:30 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
(what you know, since you are well-read in European and near east medieval history).


The important thing to take away from history is who have been the aggressors. It was Islam. And because they rejected modernity and progress, they lost. And the unified effort against Islam was understood as a natural objection to the loss of freedom. Knowing that Islam lived by the sword and deception.

In short we don't take the problem to its source as we did for centuries. And we appease Islam like they did Hitler until he thought he was strong enough. And we all know what he did. Islamism and Nazism could be mirror twins.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 16 Nov, 2013 01:41 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

DAVID wrote:
I follow an etiquette that requires me to offer better respect
to the household of my host. The proper remedy for intolerable rudeness
is my reticent departure, with as much polite grace as possible,
unless my opinion is expressly sought.


Hmmm.... Does this mean that if we want to have a city (or State) that is free of gun nuts,
all we have to do is be intolerably rude to them; and the gun nuts will leave with polite grace?
Is that your best effort at historical humor????
No. WE are the supporters of Orthodox Original Americanism, not you.
You are the distortionists, the historical charlatans.
Its OUR country, not yours. U 've got it backward.

Liberals are an infestation of fraud in OUR Original Americanism home.
Your humor manifests true liberalism: twisting into grotesque authoritarian distortion.

Liberalism is the antithesis of truth or of good.
Liberalism is authoritarian mendacity and prevarication.
No wonder the liberals loved Stalin and Mao so much.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Sat 16 Nov, 2013 09:36 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
No. WE are the supporters of Orthodox Original Americanism, not you.
You are the distortionists, the historical charlatans.
Its OUR country, not yours. U 've got it backward.


It is OUR country now! Sorry (or should I say "thank you").
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 16 Nov, 2013 01:58 pm
@maxdancona,
Quote:
It is OUR country now! Sorry (or should I say "thank you").


And as you circle the toilet you have put America in, remember that.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Sat 16 Nov, 2013 04:56 pm
@Foofie,
Quote:
My point is, how can it be interpreted to mean that God can take three forms, all at the same time. "My father" sounds to me like a separate entity?


What you need to keep in mind is that you could make up a new religion by taking the single stupidest doctrine from each of the existing religions, and even that would make sense compared to evolution...
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 17 Nov, 2013 12:35 am
@gungasnake,
This "central mystery of Christian faith" is taken from which
Quote:
single stupidest doctrine from each of the existing religions
in your opinion, gunga?
gungasnake
 
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Reply Sun 17 Nov, 2013 03:32 am
@Walter Hinteler,
For instance, the stupidest idea involved in Nazism was probably the thing about Japanese being "yellow aryans(TM)".....

But, as I noted, even that makes sense compared to evolution.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Sun 17 Nov, 2013 03:41 am
@Walter Hinteler,
The most major idea involved in Christianity and the one which causes most of the problems is the question of what the term "all powerful" is supposed to mean.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 17 Nov, 2013 03:51 am
@gungasnake,
I didn't ask for a response about 'Nazism' but about Christianity.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 17 Nov, 2013 03:52 am
@gungasnake,
That doesn't answer the question and has nothing to do with your original claim either.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Sun 17 Nov, 2013 11:03 am
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:

Quote:
My point is, how can it be interpreted to mean that God can take three forms, all at the same time. "My father" sounds to me like a separate entity?


What you need to keep in mind is that you could make up a new religion by taking the single stupidest doctrine from each of the existing religions, and even that would make sense compared to evolution...


Evolution is what makes bacteria able to survive existing antibiotics. But, if you have a problem with evolution, that is fine; however, the concept of Adam and Eve should not be referred to as "stupid," but perhaps "cute"? Meaning it is a nice story that allowed people to make sense of how humans got here, since no one would have guessed that Charles Darwin would come up with an alternative solution.

So, if you take the bible literally, do you attend church on Saturday?

maxdancona
 
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Reply Sun 17 Nov, 2013 11:09 am
@Foofie,
Quote:
So, if you take the bible literally, do you attend church on Saturday?


Of course not! That would be breaking the Sabbath. Have you read the Bible Foofie?
Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Sun 17 Nov, 2013 11:45 am
Regarding the "Trinity" thing, it simply means Jesus and God are like the two halves of an oyster, and the squishy bit in the middle is the Holy spirit..Smile
 

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