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Muezzin calling for prayer drives Londoners mad.

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 14 Nov, 2013 03:34 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:

OmSigDavid said- "@RF- I guess u want to prevent people from DRINKING, huh?"
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No, I'm not a muslim so why should I?
Incidentally Jesus turned 120 gallons
(repeat 120 gallons) of water to wine at a wedding reception,
and wine was also served at the last supper, so booze is not "evil".
He also told his mates at the last supper- "The next time I drink wine with you,
we'll be drinking it together in my father's kingdom".
That's me out then, I don't drink (sniffle)
I 'm not a big drinker, but I 've never deemed it a big deal.
To me, its not important (tho it IS important that government
keep its hands out of our business).

How do u know that it was 120 gallons ?





David
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 14 Nov, 2013 03:35 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
If he were a defense attorney, the prosecution would be dancing with glee whenever they saw him coming into court.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 14 Nov, 2013 03:58 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
And now, he seems to have run out of blogs - he's copying/pasting responses to blog comments ...


I got news for you those attacks are covered by legitimate news agencies. It is our(Western) media that bury those stories. And Islam will not allow me to run out of sources.
They repeat the terror daily. They feed you whitewashed garbage daily. So no worries, Wally.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 14 Nov, 2013 04:31 pm
@panzade,
Walter,
I believe that this post addresses some of the concerns
that u evinced in one of your posts directed to me.

panzade wrote:


DAVID wrote:
If I remember accurately,

Sorry.
You don't.

DAVID wrote:
not what u said. In keeping with true liberalism, u twisted what I said.


In keeping with rich white guys
you're backpedaling from a racist, [the Moslem race, is it, Panzade??]
xenophobic statement
Well, Panzade, let 's have a look at what u allege.
Here is the post in question (mine):

OmSigDAVID wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:
Can England throw out the Moslems ?
Deport them ?
Walter Hinteler wrote:
You mean, like Nazi-Germany did with the Jews?
I don 't. Thay did worse to the Jews
than assist them to leave Germany. (Think of ovens.)


Walter Hinteler wrote:
Can the USA throw out or deport US-citizens because of their religion?
Not citizens; no, but we can and we shud keep alien Moslems
from entering America, for security reasons.
I 'm thinking of Atta and his crews.

I have never been an immigration lawyer.
I am not familiar with immigration law,
but I hope that, as during the Third World War
we shud not have admitted known alien commies,
it is now against American security interests to admit alien Moslems.
We owe them nothing; thay have NO rights under our Constitution.
It is not their constitution; (the same as I have NO RIGHT to visit Arabia).

I have no interest in anyone 's religion; its usually a private, personal,
harmless matter, but on 9/11/1, it took on new dimensions of importance.

I require only 1 thing of the Moslems
to re-establish their status quo ante in my mind, to wit:
STOP BLOWING STUFF UP! I don t think that 's asking too much.
Thay see it otherwise.





David
I 'm not "backpeddling" on anything, Panzade.
I have not changed my opinion, but I will clarify 1 point:
I did not intend to indicate that natural born citizens
shud be deported
. If thay commit crimes, then thay shud
be processed thru American courts and subjected to ordinary
incarceration. I have no knowledge qua what the English can
legally get away with to defend themselves from the violence
of the Moslems. The US Constitution does not apply in England.

Qua my purportedly "xenophobic statement":
I don t care much if aliens legally come to America,
as long as thay don 't blow stuff up like 9/11/1,
nor cause other similar trouble. If I meet an immigrant,
I 'm usually polite and inoffensive. I bear them no ill will.


Note:
On many other threads that have nothing to do with immigration,
for many years, I have advocated BANISHING violent criminal recidivists,
regardless of where thay were born. That is not relevant to the instant discussion.
2 different concepts r involved.





David

panzade
 
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Reply Thu 14 Nov, 2013 04:46 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
To be fair, I went back and reread your post
Quote:
Can England throw out the Moslems ?
Deport them ?

hmmm....nah
I stand by my observation .
You spout like a rich white guy.
Racist, intolerant and xenophobic.

No offense intended david.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 14 Nov, 2013 04:53 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
There's loads of British Moslems Dave. Your question misses the point.
I was exercising my freedom to create MY OWN POINT, Izzy.
If u invited me to your home and if I saw members of your household
engaging in conduct whereof I disapproved, I 'd keep my mouth shut
and stay out of the way, because of my being a mere visitor.
Citizens shud not be bossed around by alien tourists.
Accordingly, I raised the question.



izzythepush wrote:
As for Coldjoint's slack jawed xenophobia, he gives an example of Moslem youths being successfully prosecuted for trying to enforce Shariah law, that shows we won't tolerate criminal behaviour no matter who's doing it.
I think he alleges that thay are persisting in doing it anyway, if I understand correctly.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 14 Nov, 2013 05:06 pm
@panzade,
panzade wrote:
To be fair, I went back and reread your post
DAVID wrote:
Can England throw out the Moslems ?
Deport them ?

hmmm....nah
I stand by my observation.
You spout like a rich white guy.
OK; so what ??

panzade wrote:
Racist, intolerant and xenophobic.
What do u allege that I do not tolerate?
It is indeed very true that there are things that I will not tolerate.
Which do u have in mind??

On second thought, I choose to amend my earlier assertion
qua immigrants: I 'd legally end immigration, in that I suspect a danger
from people who have no loyalty to Orthodox, Original Americanism
manifested in their joining the electorate. I don 't want newcomers
to screw us out of our historic personal liberty, in favor of socialism.

panzade wrote:
No offense intended david.
I take no offense, Panzade.
I wish u a delightful evening.





David
coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 14 Nov, 2013 08:43 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
On second thought, I choose to amend my earlier assertion
qua immigrants: I 'd legally end immigration, in that I suspect a danger
from people who have no loyalty to Orthodox, Original Americanism
manifested in their joining the electorate. I don 't want newcomers
to screw us out of our historic personal liberty, in favor of socialism.


You are right this country needs to be fixed from the inside.

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izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 15 Nov, 2013 02:32 am
@OmSigDAVID,
The idea that certain groups are allowed to act in a certain way is demonstrably wrong when they get prosecuted for acting in a certain way.

If you came over my house and my kids were rude or obnoxious you'd have every right to express your disapproval, but not if you saw my eldest with a copy of Das Kapital. The behaviour of youths who were tried and prosecuted falls into the former category.

There are various religious courts in the UK, but they have no legal power unless the participants give it to them. Coldjoint is spreading a lie in order to pursue his own sick agenda. If two people are in dispute, and they are of the same religious background and they both agree, they can take their dispute to a Jewish or Moslem court. The verdicts have no legal status, and either party could choose to ignore the verdict and go to civil court. The thing is certain communities don't, they accept the decision, because it's part of their culture, and who are we to tell them they can't do that?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 15 Nov, 2013 03:38 am
@izzythepush,
Actually,those religious courts are in the USA as well - with the very same procedures like in the UK, France, Italy, Germany, Australia ... ...

And then, we've got the Tribunal Arbitral du Sport (TAS)/Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS), and various national lower sport courts, where similarly is acted ...
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 15 Nov, 2013 05:02 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
The idea that certain groups are allowed to act in a certain way
is demonstrably wrong when they get prosecuted for acting in a certain way.

If you came over my house and my kids were rude or obnoxious
you'd have every right to express your disapproval,
but not if you saw my eldest with a copy of Das Kapital.
I follow an etiquette that requires me to offer better respect
to the household of my host. The proper remedy for intolerable rudeness
is my reticent departure, with as much polite grace as possible,
unless my opinion is expressly sought.


izzythepush wrote:
The behaviour of youths who were tried and prosecuted falls into the former category.

There are various religious courts in the UK, but they have no legal power unless the participants give it to them. Coldjoint is spreading a lie in order to pursue his own sick agenda. If two people are in dispute, and they are of the same religious background and they both agree, they can take their dispute to a Jewish or Moslem court. The verdicts have no legal status, and either party could choose to ignore the verdict and go to civil court. The thing is certain communities don't, they accept the decision, because it's part of their culture, and who are we to tell them they can't do that?
In NY, under Article 75 of the Civil Practice Law and Rules,
parties to a contract can designate an arbitrator to settle their disputes.
His decision can be submitted for enforcement to a court of law.
Sometimes religious leaders are chosen to be arbitrators.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 15 Nov, 2013 06:13 am
@OmSigDAVID,
I'm sure you're a wonderful guest Dave.

So it seems that the use of an arbiter in NY is no different from the voluntary use of religious courts, as has been confirmed by Walter. That's a far cry from the hysterical suggestion that we may be subject to religious rule that has nothing to do with us.

Here's some more Citizen Khan.

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maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 15 Nov, 2013 06:23 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
I follow an etiquette that requires me to offer better respect
to the household of my host. The proper remedy for intolerable rudeness
is my reticent departure, with as much polite grace as possible,
unless my opinion is expressly sought.


Hmmm.... Does this mean that if we want to have a city (or State) that is free of gun nuts, all we have to do is be intolerably rude to them; and the gun nuts will leave with polite grace?
McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 15 Nov, 2013 08:22 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

Quote:
I follow an etiquette that requires me to offer better respect
to the household of my host. The proper remedy for intolerable rudeness
is my reticent departure, with as much polite grace as possible,
unless my opinion is expressly sought.


Hmmm.... Does this mean that if we want to have a city (or State) that is free of gun nuts, all we have to do is be intolerably rude to them; and the gun nuts will leave with polite grace?



Or they may shoot you. I can see that going either way.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 15 Nov, 2013 08:24 am
Hehehehehehehehe . . .
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Foofie
 
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Reply Fri 15 Nov, 2013 09:34 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Foofie wrote:
How did the Church get the Trinity out of his quote of "his Father's kingdom"?
It is in the correct quote: "But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom."(Matthew 26:29)


My point is, how can it be interpreted to mean that God can take three forms, all at the same time. "My father" sounds to me like a separate entity?
Foofie
 
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Reply Fri 15 Nov, 2013 09:35 am
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

Quote:
i don't give a rat's ass about Org Rel..Wink


You should. The organized religion of Islam is destroying your country.


Touche!
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Foofie
 
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Reply Fri 15 Nov, 2013 09:37 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

coldjoint wrote:
The organized religion of Islam is destroying your country.
They've got a self-appointed umbrella body for national, regional, local and specialist Muslim organisations and institutions from different ethnic and sectarian backgrounds within British Islamic society: Muslim Council of Britain

Then they've got the Church of England, with a "Supreme Governor", a "Primate of All England". a "Primate of England", "Royal Peculiars", "Dioceses" , ... ... ...


You might be adding apples to oranges. Britain's Christian ancestors converted through kind and pleasant missionaries/priests/friars. Same with Germany.

Now, let's not talk about the conversion of the other folk.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 15 Nov, 2013 09:40 am
@Foofie,
Foofie wrote:
My point is, how can it be interpreted to mean that God can take three forms, all at the same time. "My father" sounds to me like a separate entity?
Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
Where's your problem?


Or did you eventually take fruit of the vine literally and disregarded the religious/theological meaning? (Which is certainly quite understandable regarding your Jewish-focused mind)
Foofie
 
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Reply Fri 15 Nov, 2013 09:45 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Foofie wrote:
My point is, how can it be interpreted to mean that God can take three forms, all at the same time. "My father" sounds to me like a separate entity?
Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
Where's your problem?


Or did you eventually take fruit of the vine literally and disregarded the religious/theological meaning? (Which is certainly quite understandable regarding your Jewish-focused mind)


I don't have a problem. I just don't understand how Jesus can talk about his "father," yet that refers to an alternative form of himself?
 

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