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America Is Becoming Ungovernable.

 
 
panzade
 
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Reply Fri 18 Oct, 2013 09:02 am
Sad to say; from 3,000 miles away...
you Limeys got it right.
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JPB
 
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Reply Fri 18 Oct, 2013 09:09 am
@JPB,
Speaking of media outlets that are owned by folks with wallets. I've been looking at some upcoming covers of various financial and weekly news magazines. Ted Cruz and Paul Rand are being scorned by the right-leaning media. Sarah Palin was given a chance to self-implode on Fox last night, and Matt Lewis (conservative blogger for The Week) took on Marco Rubio.

My position? Anyone who votes to let the US default on it's obligations should never be President.
McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 18 Oct, 2013 09:12 am
@JPB,
JPB wrote:

Speaking of media outlets that are owned by folks with wallets. I've been looking at some upcoming covers of various financial and weekly news magazines. Ted Cruz and Paul Rand are being scorned by the right-leaning media. Sarah Palin was given a chance to self-implode on Fox last night, and Matt Lewis (conservative blogger for The Week) took on Marco Rubio.

My position? Anyone who votes to let the US default on it's obligations should never be President.


You must not have voted for Obama then?
McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 18 Oct, 2013 09:22 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Still flogging this ridiculous comparison between the Tea Party and Nazis?

Get a grip frank.


That's right, you need to get a grip. The Nazis were dismissed as being all bluster in the 1930s and look what happened.

The Tea Party and the Nazis:
Like marching with firearms.
Like waving flags.
Talk about reclaiming their county.
Became prominent after an economic collapse.
Hate with a passion anything remotely Socialist.
Are fiercely anti-immigrant.

In order to stop history repeating itself one needs to remain vigilant.


You forgot the starving and gassing of millions of Jews
Invasions of neighboring territories
Snazzy uniforms
Being centered around a single, fanatical atheistic madman


Oh, wait, that was just the Nazi's, not the people in the Tea-party. You must be mistaken then or just trying to compare them to Nazi's because no one liked the Nazi's and in comparing the Tea-Party to Nazi's is a great way to show that people shouldn't like them by using vague similarities.

A completely unnecessary use of Godwin's law if you ask me.
panzade
 
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Reply Fri 18 Oct, 2013 09:29 am
@McGentrix,
Quote:
You must not have voted for Obama then?


If you're implying that the president can stop a default, then you don't understand the American system of government or the relationship between the Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches.
JPB
 
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Reply Fri 18 Oct, 2013 09:33 am
@McGentrix,
No, I didn't, actually. Not the second time. I did the first time which was after Obama voted against an increase in the debt ceiling as a Senator. That bill had no chance of failing any more than any of the previous dozens of votes to raise the debt ceiling had a chance of failing. Some of these folks are actually advocating for a default -- taking the position that it would do us some good.

Symbolic votes taken in a former era don't carry nearly the same weight as a vote and sentiment that advocates default.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 18 Oct, 2013 09:46 am
@McGentrix,
The comparisons aren't vague at all. You're incredibly naïve if you think you can avoid the rise of fascism just because you live in America.

The Nazis didn't start gassing people until they got into power. As for fanatical leaders, the Tea Party certainly has plenty of candidates.

Quote:
a single, fanatical atheistic madman


I see you slipped atheistic in so you could pander to your own prejudices and a desire to rewrite History. Hitler wasn't an Atheist, he was Godsquad like you. The quotations for you, all from Hitler.

My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter.

I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty
Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord’s work

The anti-Semitism of the new movement (Christian Social movement)
was based on religious ideas instead of racial knowledge.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Fri 18 Oct, 2013 10:02 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

Miller/Foofie is a nasty, hateful, bigoted bitch, who despises anyone who is not a Jew. Any time this idiot spouts off about the United States in the Second World War, any honest, decent and will-informed American ought to be embarrassed.


You have no idea how funny your accusation is. Regardless, why the adhominems, if one is not well informed, according to you? Do you see that you are the one being "nasty"? I make no references to specific people. If my opinion of certain groups is not in keeping with "citizenship of the world" that is because my only citizenship is of the U.S.A. You apparently do not accept my having freedom of speech, nor be discriminating towards groups, as a private citizen. On this forum there are many people that do not like Americans, or have issues with them. Or, with pro-Israel Jews. Or, with military veterans.

But, I'll say one thing about you. Your opinions of some people seems to be something that you have a great need to promulgate, as though aside from a great knowledge of history, you are determined to spread the correct opinion of some people. Perhaps, you are correct; however, its the need to promulgate your "truth" that is interesting. Perhaps, you are doing that based on a desire to protect the other posters from my supposed bad traits that you have discerned? You are then a very noble fellow. Your willingness to be so judgemental is very interesting, however. I have though seen such a degree of being judgemental here in NYC often. You might not be of their same socio-economic group; however, being judgemental is very typical for New York's old ethnic divisions. But, as I said, you are more likely to be doing it for a noble reason.

P.S.: Since the term "citizen of the world" has been used on this thread, I believe, and other threads, I believe in a positive way, I am curious of your educated opinion where one's loyalty should be, as a citizen of the world. You do know that American Jews are often thought of as less loyal to the U.S., since many are pro-Israel. Now that's a degree beyond the "dual loyalty" accusation, since it implies that American Jews give their loyalty first to Israel. And, you do know that during John Kennedy's run for presidency, he had to publicly state that he answers to no foreign powers (the Vatican). So, how did citizen of the world become such an innocuous term, when the concern over dual loyalty, or non-loyalty to the U.S., had always been such a concern for Americans? Or, are Americans allowed to be citizens of the world, as long as they don't side with Israel in their politics, or overtly talk about the world-wide concerns of the Catholic Church (unequal apportionment of wealth, militarism)? Perhaps, the concerns of the Catholic Church have been secularized by the progressive left, and therefore it is acceptable to be overtly for these concerns, without raising the spectre of one being a radical Catholic?
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Foofie
 
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Reply Fri 18 Oct, 2013 10:09 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Setanta wrote:

That jackass Miller/Foofie will either believe anything..

Miller/Foofie is a nasty, hateful, bigoted bitch, who despises anyone who is not a Jew. Any time this idiot spouts off about the United States in the Second World War, any honest, decent and will-informed American ought to be embarrassed.


Thus speaks The A2K Historian.

With this I can see how you have a few faithful followers.



I hope Setanta doesn't find out that there are Gentiles, even including a few Catholics, that I have friendly social intercourse. Oh, the shame of Foofie not being the person Setanta has discerned for the world.

However, if I was living in your neck-of-the-woods, I would find more people that find my being a veteran of the military something to be appreciated. I might be in the wrong part of the country to be a patriotic American Jew?
Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 18 Oct, 2013 10:15 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Thus speaks The A2K Historian.


I have never claimed to be an historian. As usual, if you didn't create straw men, you would have nothing to talk about.
Foofie
 
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Reply Fri 18 Oct, 2013 10:17 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Still flogging this ridiculous comparison between the Tea Party and Nazis?

Get a grip frank.


That's right, you need to get a grip. The Nazis were dismissed as being all bluster in the 1930s and look what happened.

The Tea Party and the Nazis:
Like marching with firearms.
Like waving flags.
Talk about reclaiming their county.
Became prominent after an economic collapse.
Hate with a passion anything remotely Socialist.
Are fiercely anti-immigrant.

In order to stop history repeating itself one needs to remain vigilant.


Well, marching with firearms does seem a little dramatic.

However, they have some good points Nazis did not value, like not planning a war to take over Russia, or not considering American Jews "a problem" to be solved, or not invading adjacent countries and using POW's as slave labor. The list is surely incomplete, but to be intellectually honest one should show the pros and cons in an argument. Otherwise, it smacks of a hissy fit degree of histrionics, in my opinion.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 18 Oct, 2013 11:41 am
@Foofie,
You've never been intellectually honest in your life. Obviously there are differences, racism in America is mainly directed at Afro Americans, and America isn't exactly short of Lebenstraum.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 18 Oct, 2013 02:41 pm
@panzade,
panzade wrote:

Quote:
You must not have voted for Obama then?


If you're implying that the president can stop a default, then you don't understand the American system of government or the relationship between the Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches.


Uh, no. I am outright saying that Obama voted against raising the debt ceiling when he was a Senator, thus leading toward a default.
McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 18 Oct, 2013 02:45 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Thus speaks The A2K Historian.


I have never claimed to be an historian. As usual, if you didn't create straw men, you would have nothing to talk about.


Dude, if you are not a historian, you must have a different definition then I do. Even someone as polemic as I recognizes your knowledge of history and would never, unless really, really, REALLY pushed, attempt to argue against it.
panzade
 
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Reply Fri 18 Oct, 2013 03:18 pm
@McGentrix,
I'm satisfied that Obama has learned a lot since he was a Freshman senator and I'm satisfied with his explanation.

Quote:
I think that it's important to understand the vantage point of a senator versus the vantage point of a president. When you're a senator, traditionally what's happened is, this is always a lousy vote. Nobody likes to be tagged as having increased the debt limit — for the United States by a trillion dollars.

As president, you start realizing, you know what, we, we can't play around with this stuff. This is the full faith and credit of the United States. And so that was just an example of a new senator making what is a political vote as opposed to doing what was important for the country.

And I'm the first one to acknowledge it.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 18 Oct, 2013 03:50 pm
@Foofie,
Despite the bad press Texas gets, I personally haven't see indications of widespread or even singular anti-Semetism (although I'm sure the latter exists), but maybe there are not a lot of Jewish Texans and so they escape the Texan Bigot's radar.

Kinky Friedman ephasized his Jewishness when he ran for governor and while he didn't mount a serious challenge for the position he did manage, I think, to get about 10% of the vote. There is no indication that those who voted for him were left-wing firebrands and his being a Jew never seemed to be an issue at all. I know several people who are as or more conservative than I am, who voted for him.

I'm sure your service would mean more to the average Texan than your religion or heritage.

By the way, I also don't see indications of widespread bigotry towards blacks or Mexicans, but then I'm sure my critics will suggest I'm blind to it. Are there bigoted jerks here? Of course, but no more than I found when I lived in North Carolina and actually less than I found when I lived in New York.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 18 Oct, 2013 03:57 pm
@RABEL222,
No, if I had I wouldn't have inquired.

I missed the spelling lession. Who provided that?
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 18 Oct, 2013 04:01 pm
@ossobuco,
I'm well aware he has a injured hand, but that doesn't mean I understand the words and sentences he sometimes mangles.

I'm sorry if he found "huh?" and "so that's what you mean't (sic)" offensive, I certainly didn't intend to jab him about his injury, and I suspect he has a much tougher skin than you seemt to credit him with.

I don't, in the least, apologize to you and the other who take offense on his behalf.
Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 18 Oct, 2013 04:50 pm
@McGentrix,
I was struck by the use of the locution "as polemic as I." That is a refreshing candor that people of all political persuasions would do well to emulate.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 18 Oct, 2013 04:57 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Of course you can natter at him for his opinions.
And of course he is tough.

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