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Ted Cruze is blaming Reid for holding the American People hostage

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 14 Oct, 2013 08:59 pm
@cicerone imposter,
both parties have driven out the moderates, and for well over a decade till recently the conventional wisdom was that the R's had oppressive leadership so the "no leadership" tag does not pass the laugh test. this crisis is about a disagreement about where America should go, and the inability to resolve that disagreement due to the breakdown of the political process. the major problems are systemic, they are not about individuals or individual parties, though I think both parties need to be killed off as penalty for incompetence in preventing this breaking down of the rule of law.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 14 Oct, 2013 09:00 pm
@parados,
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Yes, and one one member of a marriage gives ultimatums that they will destroy the marriage unless they get their way then it isn't a good marriage and the blame is on the person that makes such an ultimatum.
all parties have done this, so your argument goes no where.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 14 Oct, 2013 09:25 pm
@parados,
The very important point being that a divorce only affects one family. Congress' inability to increase the debt ceiling destroys the finances of many families, companies, and our economy. NO COMPARISON!
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Mon 14 Oct, 2013 10:29 pm
@hawkeye10,
I deny being related to you in any way!!!
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Tue 15 Oct, 2013 05:04 am
The fact is that if the Republicans do simply refuse to cooperate, eventually the Democrats will have to compromise. Even they would be reluctant to simply have no budget forever and default on everything.
Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 15 Oct, 2013 06:20 am
@Brandon9000,
Then again, the Democrats can continue to refuse to compromise while holding the Republicans up to well deserved ridicule, and eventually destroy the idiot teabagger hold on Republican politics, which is only motivated by electoral fear.
parados
 
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Reply Tue 15 Oct, 2013 06:44 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

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Yes, and one one member of a marriage gives ultimatums that they will destroy the marriage unless they get their way then it isn't a good marriage and the blame is on the person that makes such an ultimatum.
all parties have done this, so your argument goes no where.

Really? And what did the Dems give an ultimatum about?
We have to pay our mortgage then we can discuss the credit card spending is NOT an ultimatum.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 15 Oct, 2013 07:47 am
@Brandon9000,
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The fact is that if the Republicans do simply refuse to cooperate, eventually the Democrats will have to compromise. Even they would be reluctant to simply have no budget forever and default on everything.



If the nuts are willing to tear down the nation if they do not get their way unless you wish them to have complete control you will need to allow the nation to go over the cliff and then get them out of power in the next election and then try to repair the damage.
IRFRANK
 
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Reply Tue 15 Oct, 2013 08:39 am
Let's not forget the SCOTUS decision that allowed the financing that put many of these idiots in congress. I believe that's when this started. Many people clamor for less govt. Thats anarchy and where we are headed. How people think that is a good thing eludes me.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 15 Oct, 2013 09:28 am
@IRFRANK,
However the rich fools such as the koch brothers who had fund the tea party nuts are now becoming frighten of the very monster they had help created as no one gain if the government default on the national debt including the Koch brothers.

The states do have the power independent of the Congress to call a constitutional convention if the federal government in it current form does just locked up and stop working.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 15 Oct, 2013 09:46 am
@IRFRANK,
Did you know that SCOTUS just changed laws to let more corporations contribute more to congress members?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 15 Oct, 2013 09:48 am
@BillRM,
Boner Boehner is the one holding up the vote in the House. People who seem to know him say "he's a nice guy." They don't know beans from shinola!
gungasnake
 
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Reply Tue 15 Oct, 2013 09:48 am
@cicerone imposter,
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Ted Cruze is blaming Reid for holding the American People hostage


That's called "Telling it like it is."
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Tue 15 Oct, 2013 09:49 am
@edgarblythe,
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It shames me that Ted represents me in congress.


There are 49 other states you could transfer your sorry libtard ass to and still be in the US.
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Moment-in-Time
 
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Reply Tue 15 Oct, 2013 04:13 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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Boner Boehner is the one holding up the vote in the House. People who seem to know him say "he's a nice guy." They don't know beans from shinola!


From everything I have heard regarding John Boehner, he is the quintessential affable individial. However with the Tea Party faction of his party, the Speaker has been forced by the unnatural presence of Ted Crus to take positions he'd been hitherto opposed to and its been no honeymoon for the amiable gentleman. Ted Cruz from across the isle in the senate has dethroned Boehner as House Speaker. The GOP House members defer to Cruz when questions arise. (Last night Ted Cruz and approximately 20 other Tea Party extremists has a clandestine meeting in a Mexican restaurant in DC to try and undermine the Senate plan....Unfortunately there are no secrets in Washington who never sleeps....Cruz, it is believed told the Tea Party faction to hold tight and no deal. Sure enough this morning Speaker Boehner were attacking the Affordable Health Care again.)

John Boehner is not in an enviable position as he precariously holds onto his seat as Speaker of the House. If he goes along with the Senate and brings a vote to the floor he is unlikely to ever be heard from again and will face a stiff primary in 2014. I do not commiserate with the speaker as he has chosen to try and save his position while allowing conceivable harm to fall on the nation and the American people.

Thanks to Ted Cruz, who exhibits all the hallmarks of a disturb mentality....a derangement syndrome, the Dems are looking pretty. If the election were held today there would be a blood bath of the Republican Party.

If John Boehner were to become his own man once again, even at the expense of losing his position, he would be lauded as a man of principle, high integrity and might even keep his seat in the end.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 15 Oct, 2013 04:45 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
I really don't care whether it's Boehner or Cruz; they're all extremists and crazy. They're willing to tank our economy to defeat ObamaCare that's been approved by the congress, president, and the SCOTUS.

How many more legal legislation passed in the past are they going to attack and stop our country from operating - because they can't get their way?

I want our country to tank. This back-and-forth bull **** has lasted long enough, and it'll go on longer if Obama bends to their demands!

Once you give in to hostage takers, they'll continue to use it in the future knowing somebody in the administration blinks first.

It's hopeless and endless. Let the Great Depression II begin.

I hope it destroys this government for good.

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 15 Oct, 2013 04:50 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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Shutdown Could Halt VA Checks by November
Department of Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki told lawmakers that millions of veterans, their dependents, or survivors relying on VA compensation and support will not receive their checks next month if the ongoing government shutdown stretches into late October


Let the battles begin!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 15 Oct, 2013 04:52 pm
@IRFRANK,
That's a good point; congress has frozen paying for expenses they have already approved. Now, after they approved the spending, they're saying we must stop increasing our debt.

What's wrong with this picture?

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 15 Oct, 2013 04:58 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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Will The Shutdown Cost America Jobs?
BY ALAN PYKE ON OCTOBER 8, 2013 AT 11:10 AM

The government shutdown began amid a fight Republicans picked over health care reform, but as it drags on, it draws attention to the wider interconnectedness of government work and the general economic health of the nation. When hundreds of thousands of government workers can’t work or are made to work without pay, nearby businesses lose hundreds of thousands of customers. When public lands close, nearby communities lose millions of dollars’ worth of economic activity from tourism. In the end, it seems likely that it will end up costing jobs at a time of stubbornly high unemployment.
One economist estimates from previous shutdowns that the Washington, D.C. area loses 0.02 percent of its jobs each day the government remains closed. Communities like Colorado Springs, CO, Virginia Beach, VA, and Honolulu, HI, are each more dependent on the federal workforce than D.C., and thus potentially subject to worse jobs impacts from a shutdown. About a third of contractors in one survey say they are delaying hiring and nearly 60 percent say the shutdown negatively impacts their businesses. More than a quarter-million private sector contractor employees will be affected in some way — possibly including layoffs.
There are small businesses across the country that are suddenly running short of customers. Nevada’s $15 billion per year outdoor industry is faced with canceled tours, threatening layoffs for some of the 148,000 Nevadans who work in the industry. One restaurant in Maryland, where over a third of the state economy is tied to federal spending in one way or another, saw just three diners for lunch on Friday compared to the 100 that normally come from a federal building across the street. A nearby landscaping business laid off all but four members of a 32-person work crew after receiving a stop work order for federal properties it maintains.


Why are these people complaining? I don't get it; they vote in their representatives, then complain that they're losing income and business.

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IRFRANK
 
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Reply Tue 15 Oct, 2013 05:57 pm
@cicerone imposter,
That is what I was talking about.
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