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Ted Cruze is blaming Reid for holding the American People hostage

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 12 Oct, 2013 07:00 pm
@hawkeye10,
He's vague, because there is no such power vested in the president. Congress is the only branch of government that can authorize spending.

The president can start wars, but congress must approve the funding for it.

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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 12 Oct, 2013 11:00 pm
bump
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 12 Oct, 2013 11:11 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:

The president will not claim the power to suspend the debt ceiling in advance of the crisis because it doesn’t serve his political interest to do so. That is why both the statutory interpretation argument and the 14th Amendment argument, which do not depend on a crisis being in existence, are dead on arrival. He does better by keeping mum about his emergency powers while pleading helplessness, so as to impart to Congress horrific visions of the AARP’s troops charging up Capitol Hill, swinging their canes at House Republicans who stray in their path. If President Obama claimed that power now, Republicans could both press ahead with the showdown secure in the knowledge that a financial crisis will not take place, and accuse the president of asserting dictatorial powers. But if the debt ceiling is not lifted, he would have no choice but to act—with unpredictable consequences for the future of our constitutional system.


Eric Posner is a professor at the University of Chicago Law School.

lets remember that as of two days ago credit default swaps were rating the chances of default at 2%, clearly those with money are pretty damn sure that Obama will do the right thing at zero hour, I am not so sure, the guy is a prick. this is one of those times when I want to swat those Americans who decided that it was a good idea to put a guy with almost no track record in this chair, it is highly important that he do right by the American people, and we have very little reason to have faith that he will based upon his thin resume.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 12 Oct, 2013 11:26 pm
@hawkeye10,
I don't know what the consequences will be in the event the president lifts the debt ceiling on his own without authorization from congress.

Anything is possible in a crisis, but nobody really knows what the results will look like.

Congress already has a poor performance rating by the people of this country. The question becomes, what happens when congress fails to do its job, and a real crisis hits everybody?

Will they really be replaced during coming elections?


hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 12 Oct, 2013 11:28 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

I don't know what the consequences will be in the event the president lifts the debt ceiling on his own without authorization from congress.

Anything is possible in a crisis, but nobody really knows what the results will look like.

we know pretty much what they will be if he does not. Do you choose certain death or rather possible death at Zero hour?
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sun 13 Oct, 2013 01:58 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

You don't understand good government fiscal management.

Basic services such as good education, a functioning infrastructure, safe and available public transportation, many other public services (police and fire departments), and health services, are necessary for any country to compete in the world marketplace.

Sometimes it's necessary to spend more than what's taken in as tax revenues.
WWII is a good example of that. More recently, Obama's spending on bailouts of financial institutions were necessary to keep our's and the world's economy working.

Where did you learn economics?

It's self-evident that spending more than your income for a prolonged period of time will cause a problem that will eventually have to be fixed.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 13 Oct, 2013 03:12 am
@Brandon9000,
That's a necessity for almost everybody except the government. You still don't understand for the reasons why that is so.

THINK (if that's at all possible); WWII and the rescue of the financial system in this country as a result of the Great Recession of 2008.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/imposter222/USdebtvgdp024-1.jpg

What would have happened if Roosevelt didn't spend money to fight WWII, and Obama failed to save the financial institutions?

Is that too spacial for you to understand?

I might also add that the decrease in the debt under GW Bush is a false decrease based on the fraud perpetrated in the housing market. Yes, employment and tax revenue was up, but all those home sales to people who didn't qualify and the derivatives traded by the financial institutions were the cause of the Great Recession.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 13 Oct, 2013 03:30 am
@cicerone imposter,
See if you can understand this article on the job loss during the Great Recession.

Quote:
7.9 million jobs lost - many forever


By Chris Isidore, senior writerJuly 2, 2010: 11:46 PM ET

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The recession killed off 7.9 million jobs. It's increasingly likely that many will never come back.

The government jobs report issued Friday shows that businesses have slowed their pace of hiring to a relative trickle.
"The job losses during the Great Recession were so off the chart, that even though we've gained about 600,000 private sector jobs back, we've got nearly 8 million jobs to go," said Lakshman Achuthan, managing director of Economic Cycle Research Institute.
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parados
 
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Reply Sun 13 Oct, 2013 07:01 pm
@hawkeye10,
That's one man's opinion and hasn't been challenged in court. There are opinions the opposite way as well.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 13 Oct, 2013 07:11 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:

That's one man's opinion and hasn't been challenged in court. There are opinions the opposite way as well.
so you do what Bill Clinton said he would do, act to save the nation and dare the courts to stop him.

this is a no brainer.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 14 Oct, 2013 05:08 pm
Quote:
3 days 53 minutes 11 secs
until the GOP's failure to act responsibly by passing a clean continuing resolution unnecessarily forces the United States to default on it's financial obligations.


PLAYING CHICKEN WITH PEOPLE'S LIVES WILL CONTINUE IF OBAMA FALLS FOR THEIR DEMANDS. HOW MANY TIMES WILL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE PLAY THEIR GAMES OF CHICKEN? UNTIL THEY ALL FALL INTO POVERTY - PROBABLY.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 14 Oct, 2013 05:31 pm
@cicerone imposter,
does telling the wife to shut-up about what she wants and do as she is told generally work to get you what you want and to end the conflict? The D's are delusional, what the capitalists need is for washington to decide what it wants to do, what it needs is resolution of the conflict........but what we have is the D's, R's and that prick of a P throwing gasoline onto the fire.

**** them all.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 14 Oct, 2013 05:44 pm
@hawkeye10,
This is not a disagreement in a marriage; it's about the House republicans who tries to hold ObamaCare hostage to get their way. It isn't going to happen, because once Obama caves in, the republicans will continue with their hostage taking. There is no such situation in marraiage except divorce. A divorce doesn't hurt all Americans.

Quote:
On the other hand, a longer CR locks in a bad budget, helping to turn post-sequester spending levels into a new normal. According to the Congressional Budget Office, maintaining the sequester’s spending cuts would cost hundreds of thousands of jobs next year, and reduce gross domestic product. “We are very much defining ‘normal’ downwards,” said Bernstein. “In many ways, the solution we’re all hoping for is one that locks in its own version of dysfunction.”

Ultimately, the millions of Americans waiting for a budget that addresses long-term unemployment and wage stagnation, that provides adequate funding for public services and that strengthens the economy as a whole will be hurt by a government shutdown and any other delays in the passage of a long-term spending bill. But instead of governing, the GOP will turn the lights off—and even that won’t stop the Affordable Care Act rollout.


hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 14 Oct, 2013 07:10 pm
@cicerone imposter,
married people fight all of the time. It is how they fight, and how able they are to move on after a fight, that determines the success of the marriage. Dont get me wrong, I am ready to kill off both parties, but so long as they are in this relationship they best prove to us that they deserve to stay. The behavior of all parties here not only does not convince me that I am wrong about their unsuitability to here, it reinforces it.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 14 Oct, 2013 07:16 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawk, You must understand that a marriage and government are not equal in almost every way. Just the numbers in government vs a couple has no comparison. Why are you trying to insist they are comparable? They're not - not even a smidgen!
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 14 Oct, 2013 07:52 pm
@cicerone imposter,
What is the sentence for the crime of disagreeing with you? I might want to risk it. *sarcasm*
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 14 Oct, 2013 08:03 pm
@hawkeye10,
NO crime; just ignorance from you that makes no sense. Family and friends can have disagreements; they are in no way comparable to congress.

Your comparisons belong in the area of non-sequitur.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 14 Oct, 2013 08:06 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

NO crime; just ignorance from you that makes no sense. Family and friends can have disagreements; they are in no way comparable to congress.

Your comparisons belong in the area of non-sequitur.

according to you the identifier "I am an American" means nothing at all. You are wrong, we are all family, deeply dysfunctional as we may be.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 14 Oct, 2013 08:26 pm
From Rolling Stone.
Quote:
Republican Extremism and the Lessons of History
This crisis is about nothing other than the Republican Party – its radicalization, its stunning lack of leadership and its disregard for the Constitution.

Powerless to control his caucus, John Boehner has proved to be one of the weakest congressional leaders in American history.
J. Scott Applewhite
By SEAN WILENTZ
October 10, 2013 11:10 AM ET
This latest episode in the endless Republican reality show is not chiefly about the incompetence and incessant squabbling of ideologues and petty politicians, although it's that, too. Nor is it the outcome of the intense partisan polarization that has thrown Washington into gridlock, as if the problem is abstract partisanship itself, with Democrats and Republicans equally at fault. Least of all is it about rescuing the economy from the Democrats' profligate deficit spending, as Republicans claim – not with the deficit shrinking to its lowest level since the financial disaster of 2008 and with the outlook improving. This crisis is about nothing other than the Republican Party – its radicalization, its stunning lack of leadership and its disregard for the Constitution.

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/republican-extremism-and-the-lessons-of-history-20131010#ixzz2hkmT9WON
Follow us: @rollingstone on Twitter | RollingStone on Facebook


I'm not sure hawk will comprehend what this article is all about, because he believes this crisis is equivalent to a "marriage."
parados
 
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Reply Mon 14 Oct, 2013 08:52 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

married people fight all of the time. It is how they fight, and how able they are to move on after a fight, that determines the success of the marriage.

Yes, and one one member of a marriage gives ultimatums that they will destroy the marriage unless they get their way then it isn't a good marriage and the blame is on the person that makes such an ultimatum.

When one party makes an ultimatum that may destroy the country the blame is on that party.
 

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