Ted Cruze is blaming Reid for holding the American People hostage

@cicerone imposter,

One idiot on CNBC is saying this freeze isn't affecting our economy. The guys a fraud and a dope! He's probably one of those guys who didn't lose their job or were furloughed.

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@cicerone imposter,

The tea party leaders are the equivalent of the leaders in Libya, and Somalia. They want less government. Check out these two governments if you want to learn where the U S of A is headed.

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@cicerone imposter,

Unfortunately they know exactly what they are doing. They just dont give a shyt because their masters, the Koch brothers and their ilk pay them well enough to overcome their consciences, if they ever had one.

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@IRFRANK,

IRFRANK wrote:

You get the govt you deserve.

We are, indeed, getting the government we deserve.

Harry Truman was wrong about where the buck stops, because it does not stop in ANY politician's office...it stops essentially in the voting booth.

A bit of digression, however, is appropriate.

Politicians look out for themselves and their families first...and if what is good for the general population does not conflict substantially with that, most of them try to do what they perceive to be "what is good for the general population."

We choose our politicians from the humans among us...and damn near every human I know looks out for him/herself and his/her family FIRST.

We cannot lose sight of that.

And any assertions that they have to be above all that...is little more than wishful thinking.

Mother Teresa and Albert Schweitzer looked out for themselves first...no matter how a casual inspection of their lives make it seem.

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What are they talking about "negotiation" when their demand is to repeal ObamaCare? That's already the law of the land.

They're talking about "nothing is off the table."

TNCFS

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@cicerone imposter,

I'm waiting for the GOP to come up with some recommendations to improve ObamaCare. Anybody believe that'll ever happen?

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Sometimes I try to see the long term perspective. We've enjoyed success in this country since WWII, for many known reasons. Even the last few decades have been good, compared to much of the world. The problem now is one of complacency and greed. It's sad that while we still have the resources and ability to provide a high standard of living for a vast majority of Americans, we will fail because of greed. This will hurt all Americans, even the ones who expect to benefit. This great American lifestyle is not guaranteed.

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@IRFRANK,

The problem is that the already rich can't see that their greed is the handicap to our economic problems. If they shared more of the company profits with the line-workers rather than "taking" 400% increase in their pay and benefits, even they would benefit more.

If the middle class kept up with inflation, everybody including our government benefits, because tax revenue at all levels will increase substantially. The problem of "spending too much" shouldn't even be a problem - if they quit wasting money on their spending sprees - spending $500 for a hammer (example).

Billions can be saved just through increasing efficiency in the health care delivery system.

Solutions are simple, but those in government can't see the forest for the trees.

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@cicerone imposter,

The GOP keeps saying that the American people want government to cut back on entitlements. THAT'S A 100% LIE!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/imposter222/entitlements.jpg

Look at Health Insurance Subsidies. The majority wants little or no adjustments made. What are the GOP fighting for - with their lies?
MAJOR REDUCTIONS? Less than 25%.

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Will somebody please tell congress they're killing the Christmas Season? For many retail shops, the Christmas Season represents from 20 to 40% of their annual sales.

That also helps fund the government coffers with tax revenues. Cutting expenses and tax revenue (unnecessarily) is just plain stupid!

The GOP suffers from myopia; all they talk about is cutting spending, but they ignore the revenue side that funds our government. To top it off, they don't want to increase taxes.

TNCFS

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@cicerone imposter,

There may be hope for our electorate yet!

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October 10th, 2013
09:15 PM ET
49 minutes ago
Shutdown polls: No winners, but a bigger loser

CNN Political Editor Paul Steinhauser
Washington (CNN) – A week and a half into a partial government shutdown and one week before a crucial deadline to raise the nation's debt ceiling, new polls indicate that Americans are angry and are blaming both political parties for the impasse.

Sixty percent of people questioned in an NBC News/Wall Street Journal survey released Thursday say if given the chance to vote to defeat every single member of Congress, including their own representative, they would. That's the highest level ever recorded on that question in NBC News/Wall Street Journal polling.

Maybe that number will continue to grow as the days pass on to the next crisis created by our government until over 90% say "I can't take it any more!"

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@cicerone imposter,

Here's a message the GOP is now using about "they want everybody to enjoy the same insurance that congress and their workers get."

THEY DO!

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Congress isn't exempt from ObamaCare. Congress and their staff have work based insurance, thus should be able to stay on their current plan. However an amendment to bill before it became law said they must use health insurance marketplace. They will use the marketplace, but since their staffers, making as little as $30,000 can't get subsidies through the marketplace (they have access to employer based coverage) their employer (the Government) is allowed to cover part of the cost of their premiums. Since all members of Congress have been well aware of this since 2010, any other claim is a willful misrepresentation of the truth.

They lie at every corner, but nobody seems to be questioning them about it.

I will continue to prove that they are liars of the worst kind.

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Quote:

Throw the bums out.
That’s the message 60 percent of Americans are sending to Washington in a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll, saying if they had the chance to vote to defeat and replace every single member of Congress, including their own representative, they would. Just 35 percent say they would not.

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/10/20903531-nbcwsj-poll-60-percent-say-fire-every-member-of-congress?lite

I see that I am in the majority, again. can we get on with my idea of making this happen? Please? Until America comes before party and ideology for this crew they all get tossed. eventually they will learn.

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@hawkeye10,

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Even after credit-default swaps protecting against losses on Treasuries for one year doubled this month, they’re still pricing in a 1.4 percent probability the government will fail to meet its obligations, according to data provider CMA

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-10/credit-swaps-see-u-s-default-odds-less-than-2-reality-check.html
the way I see this going is the House votes on a clean debt limit increase which gets approved, and a clean CR which does not. Obama signs because he has to and then starts negotiation for a CR. OCT 27 is my target date for that getting done. The D's think that the R's will fold, I think that they have miscalculated, that R claims that they are unified against a CR till Obama comes to the table are genuine.

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@cicerone imposter,

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Will somebody please tell congress they're killing the Christmas Season? For many retail shops, the Christmas Season represents from 20 to 40% of their annual sales.

christmas season should not start till Black Friday, if congress is putting a pause on the retailers trying to make christmas season an all year thing then they are doing good work.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

There may be hope for our electorate yet!

Quote:
October 10th, 2013
09:15 PM ET
49 minutes ago
Shutdown polls: No winners, but a bigger loser

CNN Political Editor Paul Steinhauser
Washington (CNN) – A week and a half into a partial government shutdown and one week before a crucial deadline to raise the nation's debt ceiling, new polls indicate that Americans are angry and are blaming both political parties for the impasse.

Sixty percent of people questioned in an NBC News/Wall Street Journal survey released Thursday say if given the chance to vote to defeat every single member of Congress, including their own representative, they would. That's the highest level ever recorded on that question in NBC News/Wall Street Journal polling.

Maybe that number will continue to grow as the days pass on to the next crisis created by our government until over 90% say "I can't take it any more!"

I think we are all "fed up", ci.

The problem I see with this line of thinking, however, is the same problem I see with the notion of a third party being needed.

Both the "replace 'em all" and "get a third party in"...ASSUME that the replacements will be less inclined to think of themselves, their careers, and their families first...and their duties to the public second.

That is, in my opinion, an unrealistic assumption.

We all do that. Most of the people complaining about governance...if elected to office...would begin doing that almost immediately. That is the nature of humans....it has been the nature of governance probably since humans became civilized.

Our problem, here in the American experiment in Democracy...is that we are allowing the capitalistic/free enterprise system to get further and further out of control.

The greedy among the capitalistic big shots are able to see that the top 1% gets the cream...and the bottom 99% gets whatever is left.

The question becomes: How do we change the system...or at a minimum...how do we get the present system under control so that the MASSIVE wealth of our nation is more equitably distributed?

BIG question...and I don't have any realistic answers. But I think it has less to do with replacing representatives or introducing third parties...than it has with making sure the party most dedicated to helping perpetuate the INEQUALITY gets less and less power.

The Democrats and liberals are FAR FROM PERFECT...they are, in some ways, just as flawed as the Republicans and conservatives. But when all is said and done...the Democrats and liberals are more likely to champion legislation that champions safety net programs (a small step in the right direction) than the Republicans and conservatives.

From this day forth...no Republican...no conservative...should EVER get an opportunity to appoint a Supreme Court Justice.

The legislature is not where our nation's salvation will be found. IF IT ACTUALLY CAN HAPPEN...it will happen through the rulings of SCOTUS.

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@Frank Apisa,

The actual dynamics of politics in this country is simply that the GOP/conservatives lie about ObamaCare and the national debt, and too many people believe their message of lies.

The primary goal is to make Obama a failed president, and the GOP is willing to hurt the middle class and the poor to do it! That's quite a handicap to overcome for any president.

Their mixed messages about why the GOP has the current freeze has changed several times, because they're not having any luck with their hostage playbook.

They're now saying they'll let some folks get freedom from the freeze, but that's in direct contradiction to their message that "all people should have the same rights as congress and their workers."

That's the realm of liars and bastards, and they continue to "prove" themselves over and over again. I just wonder when Americans are going to wake up from their stupor?

Maybe, the first people to react are those folks frozen out of their jobs, and they can't make their loan payments, rent payments, and to buy food. If they have any balance on their credit cards, they'll be paying hefty interest rates to boot.

No republicans are affected by all this - unless they're masochists.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

This so-called class warfare has been going on for several decades, and the GOP is hell-bent to continue on this path. Their idea about taxation is that it's a redistribution of the rich people's money to the poor. They just can't see the damage it's doing to our economy, but look at what they're doing now?...

Actually, our idea about taxation is that it's better to live within our means than to raise taxes and the debt limit. We should spend less so that we won't need to keep raising the debt limit more and more and pushing the problem to our children to eventually have to solve.

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For the Republicans to refuse to sign the budget as a sideways method of reversing their previous loss on Obamacase is a stupid, unpatriotic, abuse of power, and the Democrats rightly told them to go to hell. For the Republicans to refuse to sign the budget because they think that it's filled with pork and too expensive is reasonable and rightful, and the Democrats should negotiate some cuts. The problem is that now the Republicans have discredited themselves with the Obamacare play and the Democrats are in a position to simply refuse to budge.

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@Brandon9000,

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Democrats are in a position to simply refuse to budge.

only if they are fine with a default. votes decide, and they dont have enough to ramrod their will through Congress.

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