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Sofia I did not read anything untoward into your post I quoted. I was merely referencing why admin came to be part of my discussion. I was not familiar with the TOS of this board, but am familiar with TOS of the other board. It is sad to me that otherwise compassionate and helpful people were treated this way. Camille's duplicity spreads farther than the folks who posted on this one thread.

cavfancier lol No buffy is not my real name. I posted a few pages back that I use a similar screen name 'buffytheliarslayer' on the other message board. Figured I would keep up the trend. And I was a big fan of both the Buffy and Angel shows. We all have our guilty pleasures lol.

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Well, like any relationship, real or virtual, there sometimes comes a time when one must simply say, run, run away!

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Pssst....I knew Buffy wasn't your real name, hence the 'heh heh', but I am a fan of the show.

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I think there are two schools of thought here, and it doesn't matter which is right or wrong. Admin, schmadmin, makes no difference to me ~shrugs~ but I would like to draw something out.

I feel like one school of thought are folks here who have had limited exposure to Camille and who believe "Camille" is in a tragic ex relationship and created "Brini" to reinforce advice she was not getting from other posters.

I feel like the other school of thought is that it is all a sham. That is the category I fall in, because I have been posting on the other message board with "Camille" for a year. This "relationship" is not the only deceit Camille has been caught on.

There are people who have crossed over both message boards that have been seriously twisted duped by this. People who were truly kindhearted and went out of their way to show compassion for someone who was apparently making it all up.

There is no way "Camille" could be suicidal and despondent on this thread while posting feisty and assertive comebacks on the other message board at the exact same time.

If I seem overly dismayed by this duplicity, it is because I and others were subjected to this for a year. Not just the last 6 weeks.

So, on to more fun things .....

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buffytheslayer wrote:

...I feel like one school of thought are folks here who have had limited exposure to Camille and who believe "Camille" is in a tragic ex relationship and created "Brini" to reinforce advice she was not getting from other posters...

That would be me. This is the first time I've ever "met" Camille.

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...There is no way "Camille" could be suicidal and despondent on this thread while posting feisty and assertive comebacks on the other message board at the exact same time...

I read through the posts you quoted. Has she actually done this? (Just trying to sort out truth & fiction.)

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Eva, not sure what you mean. "Camille" has never said the word suicide on this thread that I recall. There have been closing statements that can be (subjectively) interpreted as suicidal, but anyhoo. However, her messages on this thread, post after post after post, have a clear sense of despair and sadness. Is that something you agree or disagree with?

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No one said she said the word "suicide".

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I agree on one single point our Buffy made....let's move on to more fun things.

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sozobe wrote:

Let's back up for a minute, OK?

Manipulation is not nice. Sure.

But what we are working with, at the core, is:

1.) Someone went through a bad break-up.

2.) We offered advice on how to deal with that.

3.) That person gave ample evidence that she was mentally unstable and given to self-delusion well before Brini Maxwell came into the picture.

4.) We offered advice on how to deal with that. (Be realistic, he's not coming back, etc.)

This all seems to be of a piece, and as Sofia says, I do not regret having taken part in this or offered advice. At best, it was helpful advice to someone who was grieving. At worst, it was helpful advice to someone who might find this via Google at some point in the future.

Meanwhile, my own personal opinion -- which I will not be bothered to take back in the face of evidence to the contrary -- is that the person behind the Camille account is someone who is hurting badly from a bad break-up, and doing silly, self-destructive things (which, again, we already knew), and while it's not tragic and is her own fault it's also not that big of a deal in the scheme of things. I'm happy to offer good wishes and the hopes that she will continue the healing process.

Quite literally - as Sozobe said. If someone, someday, derives some benefit from the advice/suggestions/support offered to Camille, then it was all to the good.

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Sophia, if my statement seemed confusing, I was responding to Eva. I'm trying to answer her question, Has she actually done this? Done what? Posted suicidal and despondent posts here while posting fiesty and assertive posts on the other message board? Yes, Camille has, and I've provided proof multiple times on pg 13 and pg 14.

lol, it seems I have been turned into the bad girl here.

I'm not trying to convince any of you differently. I am merely stating why I believe what I believe, and IMO those of us who have been exposed to Camille for over a year via the other message board have a better sense of Camille's personality and style and statements she has made. Camille is a fraud from start to finish. That is what I believe, and I have what I believe is evidence from both message boards that supports my statement.

At least on this message board, Camille did not lead all of you to believe she was a black woman.

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buffy - part of the problem (?) may be that some of us don't care what happened at another board. we were responding to the troubled person who presented here.

truthfully, all the things you are suggesting happened elsewhere simply appear to be further evidence of how troubled the poster is/was.

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Yes, "Camille" is troubled. But purposefully manipulative and deceitful. Not tragically depressed. If you had been exposed to Camille for the past year like some of us had, you would know how glaringly obvious this was, and why it matters more. People form relationships on the interent just like they do in real life.

You meet someone and a few weeks later realize they're kooky, oh well, not much invested. You meet someone and have countless board discussions for an entire year and realize they're super duper deceitful kooky, much bigger deal.

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buffytheslayer wrote:

Yes, "Camille" is troubled. But purposefully manipulative and deceitful. Not tragically depressed. If you had been exposed to Camille for the past year like some of us had, you would know how glaringly obvious this was, and why it matters more. People form relationships on the interent just like they do in real life.

You meet someone and a few weeks later realize they're kooky, oh well, not much invested. You meet someone and have countless board discussions for an entire year and realize they're super duper deceitful kooky, much bigger deal.

It is a much bigger deal buffy for sure. This experience won't hamper me from helping the next person that comes along. I'll just be a lot more careful the next time.

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buffy, you've just made the case for me, for being helpful.

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ehBeth, I'm not sure what you mean.

I think it was very kind of all of you to be so compassionate and helpful to Camille when you thought she was in a tragic ex relationship.

The point is all of that was a lie. Your helpfulness only provided fodder for a bizarre and twisted need for constant attention based on false pretense. It's like someone saying "so and so died, please feel sorry for me" but no one really died.

How would you feel if, after posting alongside and with someone for an entire year, you found them out to be totally false?

I can appreciate reading posts from another message board is tedious and boring. But here are "Brini" posts and here are "Camille " posts during the same timeframe as this thread. You will find neither Brini nor Camille full of depression or despair - unlike the Camille persona portrayed here.

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Buffy--

Why so relentless in this exposure thing? We knew of Brini-- We've heard your opinion, have seen your evidence...

We were (most, I assume) satisfied with the way things were. You seem quite unyielding in your attempt to exacerbate the situation, on a board where you are quite new.

This is puzzling. Can't you be satisfied to take your case to the other board, where her alleged infractions were more irritating to you? Curious.

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Buffy, we are not happy about this (I think I can say for most of us posters on the topic), and I for one appreciate your posting. I say this still not knowing the nature and extent of the problems.

However -- many of us are long timers here on a2k and we take a long view. Other people will see this thread in months and years to come, and even if our posts don't end up helping Camille, they may help another person.

In some ways, our posts have helped us - since as we post what we think, we figure out ourselves and each other too; the thoughts are not lost.

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Sofia when I first joined this board, I found it far more pleasant than the nastiness that goes on at Sunspot, but Sunspot is less cumbersome to navigate, so this one slipped my mind.

Someone who I am friendly with asked me to look at this, without hints or tips, to draw my own conclusion. And I shared my opinion. And then mostly answered questions. Or expanded on topics others - like you - brought up. Other times, I have asked questions, but they were not responded to.

Realizing Brini was an altie for Camille is not the same as knowing Camille lied about her age and her "being alone" vs "close friends" and made up the whole depression despair story from the beginning. I guess it depends on how informed one wants to be.

Are there special rules I should know about as a new poster so as not to irritate or offend you?

ossobuco thanks for your appreciation. Ciao.....

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buffytheslayer wrote:

Eva, not sure what you mean. "Camille" has never said the word suicide on this thread that I recall. There have been closing statements that can be (subjectively) interpreted as suicidal, but anyhoo. However, her messages on this thread, post after post after post, have a clear sense of despair and sadness. Is that something you agree or disagree with?

Statements such as "I'm through. Life sucks, it is just not worth it anymore" are quite obviously intended to be interpreted as suicidal. Sofia picked up on it immediately, as did I. I'm sure that's exactly what Camille intended us to think. I, for one, am tired of being manipulated.

I have spoken to the moderators about this. They are aware of the situation and have been watching this thread for some time. Their advice: "Generally, the best thing to do is to let a topic like this die by not responding to it any more. These people are looking for attention, even negative attention, so by taking that away, you can defuse the situation."

I think their advice is excellent, and that is exactly what I shall do.

Goodbye, Camille.

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I found all these things in her posts and the descriptions from others.

Isolation from others - Low self-esteem - Depression - Emotional problems - Illness - Increased alcohol or drug use - Withdrawal from real life into an Internet alternative reality

These are all effects of long-term emotional and verbal abuse on the victim.

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