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Rodeo clown with Obama mask has big defender: Rush Limbaugh

 
 
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 15 Aug, 2013 01:20 pm
@Thomas,
Political caricatures are based on individuals, and it's clear who those individuals are.

Drawing all black people so they look like golliwogs isn't about exaggerating certain features. It's about making them less than human.
http://www.obv.org.uk/sites/default/files/imagecache/350x230/images/Golliwog-illustration.jpg
revelette
 
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Reply Thu 15 Aug, 2013 01:36 pm
@izzythepush,
That is pretty much what I thought, his lip wasn't even that exaggerated in the cartoon of Thomas's post.

I suppose there is nothing racist about this one either.

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/44presidents1.jpg

What is the point with showing Obama with only big eyes if it is not meant in a racist way to demean the President?
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 15 Aug, 2013 01:40 pm
@Thomas,
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I still don't get it. Lots of people have gotten caricatured since forever, and caricaturists have always been exaggerating all bodily and facial features of all their subjects. What's so different about the lips of Black subjects?


I have no problem with lampooning a President, or making jokes about him, or satirizing him. One of the things I've enjoyed most about Saturday Night Live over the years was enjoying their satirical humor about every President since Carter.

But I do feel there are lines that shouldn't be crossed with such humor, and feeding into racial stereotypes or promoting racist characterizations should be among those lines--particularly given the racial tensions that exist in our country. Things that are more hateful than funny really aren't humor or good-natured fun.

In terms of respecting the Presidency, I am far more disturbed by the recent incident in Arizona than I am by the Rodeo clown. For one thing, it occurred outside a venue where the President was actually appearing, and for another, it included people who were shouting for him to, "Go back where you came from," which, by most reasonable standards, is a comment more reflective of racial animosity than disagreement with his policies.

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The political culture in Arizona, my home state, is often coarse, racialized and divisive. President Barack Obama's visit there Tuesday gave the world another opportunity to see it. At times it seems as though the most bigoted individuals in America's 48th state save their most raucous and prejudiced behavior for the 44th president.

The Arizona Republic reported that hundreds of dissenters chose to model their insulting and extremist behavior before some of Phoenix's youngest residents. Assembled outside Desert Vista High School, they mocked Obama's race, singing "Bye Bye Black Sheep" in spirited synchronization. One "patriot" went so far as to deprecate our commander in chief by pronouncing him "47 percent Negro," while another, Deanne Bartram, held a sign that read, "Impeach the Half-White Muslim!"

Obama chose Desert Vista, home to some of Phoenix's best and brightest students, to present his ideas for repairing America's ailing mortgage finance apparatus. Some activists assembled to plead with the president to take more aggressive steps to combat climate change, such as renouncing the Keystone XL oil pipeline. Nevertheless, the overwhelming disposition of the angry horde was openly reminiscent of the Jim Crow South.

One of the most disturbing aspects of the anti-Obama protest was the inclination of some participants to fault the president for increased racial tensions. "We have gone back so many years," Judy Burris told the Republic, insisting that Obama's presence and policies have engendered a racist backlash. "He's divided all the races. I hate him for that."

This mind-bending perspective has become one of the leitmotifs of the racialized anti-Obama movement, which laments regressive race relations, but which attributes increased racial tensions in Obama's "disruptive" and "exotic" presence, rather than their own racial stereotypes, hateful rhetoric and divisive behavior....

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/08/opinion/whitaker-obama-arizona-race

Unfortunately, there are people who hate Obama, or who hold him in lesser regard, because he is African-American, and I do think he has been accorded less respect than our other Presidents because of race. Does everyone remember when he was heckled during his State of the Union address?
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A Republican representative from South Carolina, Joe Wilson, heckled President Obama during his speech to Congress Wednesday night. In response to Obama's statement that the proposed health care bill would not cover illegal immigrants, Wilson shouted, "You lie!" House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer said, "I have never in my 29 years heard an outburst of that nature with reference to a president of the United States speaking as a guest of the House and Senate," while White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel said, "No president has ever been treated like that. Ever."...

It depends on what you mean by heckle. Members of Congress frequently express their disapproval audibly during a presidential speech. When Bill Clinton outlined his health care plan in 1993, for example, some Republicans snickered, shook their heads, made faces, and even shouted "no." And when George W. Bush claimed in his 2005 State of the Union that Social Security will be "exhausted and bankrupt by 2042," Democrats responded with boos. (At the time, several political talk-show hosts, including Ted Koppel of ABC, claimed such booing was unprecedented.) But last night may be the first time a congressman went beyond communal muttering—and interrupted the president with a loud and denigrating retort.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2009/09/the_first_heckler.html

I do think we have to maintain basic respect for the office of the Presidency, and for the man that holds the office--regardless of who he is. There are plenty of opportunities to voice disagreements and similar opportunities to have a laugh at his expense, but some lines shouldn't be crossed. When it becomes mainly offensive, or race-based, it's crossed the line in terms of humor.


izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 15 Aug, 2013 01:54 pm
@revelette,
There's not even an attempt to show Obama as anything other than a featureless black blob.
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 15 Aug, 2013 02:12 pm
@Thomas,
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For the same reason the caricatures in your newspaper are funny to you: Because they depict politicians and their facial features in a mean, mischievous way.

No, I don't think most caricatures are mean. They might exaggerate a particular facial feature, but it's done in a good-humored way that does capture something distinctive about that person's face. There is nothing particularly distinctive about Obama's lips, and they certainly aren't blubbering. It's as offensive to depict them that way as it would be to depict a Jewish politician, like Joe Lieberman with a large hooked nose, simply because he's a Jew.

What goes on with Obama goes beyond the usual caricatures of politicians--and it includes racially offensive mocking of his wife as well.

http://www.theawl.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/obama-4chan.jpg
http://www.theawl.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/michelle-gifff.gif
http://www.theawl.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/obama-chimpout.jpg
http://www.theawl.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/obama-taxes.gif

http://www.theawl.com/2011/04/primate-in-chief-a-guide-to-racist-obama-monkey-photoshops

Some things just aren't funny.
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JTT
 
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Reply Thu 15 Aug, 2013 02:59 pm
@firefly,
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I do think we have to maintain basic respect for the office of the Presidency, and for the man that holds the office--regardless of who he is.


Why would you think you should have respect for people and their office that are war criminals and terrorists, FF? Perhaps if you were to request that they stopped these actions, one might consider respect.

Or maybe you're thinking that you should respect them like one would respect Hilter.
IRFRANK
 
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Reply Thu 15 Aug, 2013 03:00 pm
@Foofie,
You have a point, but I would say the media is making this so big, left and right. They have no concern about correctness, only followers.
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 15 Aug, 2013 04:25 pm
@JTT,
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Perhaps if you were to request that they stopped these actions, one might consider respect.

What makes you think I haven't protested such actions--on a fairly regular basis--directly to the White House? I still respect the office of the Presidency.

So, how do you express your political activism or political dissatisfaction or political protest--in real life, JTT? Or do you just confine yourself to trolling threads at A2K, and popping in with irrelevant anti-American comments, regardless of the topic?





JTT
 
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Reply Thu 15 Aug, 2013 09:44 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
I still respect the office of the Presidency.


Again, the question is why, FF?

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What makes you think I haven't protested such actions--on a fairly regular basis--directly to the White House?


Because of your strong tendency to provide cover for said actions.

Here is a picture of the WH guys reading your letters.

http://cheezburger.com/2814131200

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and popping in with irrelevant anti-American comments,


Keeping the US's war crimes and terrorism front and center is vitally important to keep chipping away at the 200 years of vacuous propaganda.
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 15 Aug, 2013 10:08 pm
@JTT,
Quote:
Here is a picture of the WH guys reading your letters.

You think Reagan is still President? Rolling Eyes

Don't they even have a TV in the dayroom of that asylum you're locked up in? Laughing
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Keeping the US's war crimes and terrorism front and center is vitally important to keep chipping away at the 200 years of vacuous propaganda.

Yup, you're really getting your message across to the powers-that-be by trolling A2K, and popping into threads to make irrelevant anti-American comments, regardless of the topic

http://dmn.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Obama_announces_Chuck_Hagel-720x478.jpg

And then JTT said, these crazy posts are, "vitally important to keep chipping away at the 200 years of vacuous propaganda."
gungasnake
 
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Reply Thu 15 Aug, 2013 10:34 pm
This might be the picture some of you are looking for:

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/AG9OvVYvviQ/hqdefault.jpg

Richard Pryor's Idi Amin skit...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkq8xYb2hGU&feature=player_embedded

Kolyo
 
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Reply Thu 15 Aug, 2013 10:58 pm
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:

This might be the picture some of you are looking for:


Why?
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 16 Aug, 2013 02:29 am
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
So, how do you express your political activism or political dissatisfaction or political protest--in real life, JTT?


Not by condemning the actions in Egypt that's for sure.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 16 Aug, 2013 04:23 am
@Foofie,
revelette wrote:
Why have a president if we are not going to respect the office he or she is occupying?
Foofie wrote:

If the kitchen is too hot, one should get out of the kitchen.
It is the American way to question the President through direct discourse, or humor.
Notice all the political cartoons in the heyday of magazines and newspapers.

By the way, liberals just loved when anyone made reference to the younger Bush's pronouncing the word "nuclear."
Well, there were people that loved to think that regardless of his prestigious education he mispronounced certain words.
WELL SAID, FOOFIE!





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 16 Aug, 2013 04:33 am
@revelette,
revelette wrote:
If the clown made fun of Obama's ears, that would have been ok and not had any racial overtones at all. But blubbering his lips was just racist period. The only reason the audience "screamed" was the racial aspect of the joke, why else would it have made such a reaction except for the outrageousness of it?

So you are saying my granddaughter better be sure she is smart enough to really excel academically and move to a blue state or just grit her teeth and suck it up?
Is it written somewhere
that we can t make fun of a race??


It seems to me that we are 1OO% within our rights of free speech to do that.





David
parados
 
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Reply Fri 16 Aug, 2013 06:29 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

revelette wrote:
If the clown made fun of Obama's ears, that would have been ok and not had any racial overtones at all. But blubbering his lips was just racist period. The only reason the audience "screamed" was the racial aspect of the joke, why else would it have made such a reaction except for the outrageousness of it?

So you are saying my granddaughter better be sure she is smart enough to really excel academically and move to a blue state or just grit her teeth and suck it up?
Is it written somewhere
that we can t make fun of a race??


It seems to me that we are 1OO% within our rights of free speech to do that.





David

You might be within your legal rights but that means we can socially ostracize you for being an a-hole and we would be within our legal rights as well.
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revelette
 
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Reply Fri 16 Aug, 2013 06:35 am
@izzythepush,

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Not by condemning the actions in Egypt that's for sure.


I know, I can't find a thread talking about the current events and deaths in Egypt, it is kinda blowing me away that no one is talking about the mounting deaths and for that matter the military coup of the democratically elected president.
Miller
 
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Reply Fri 16 Aug, 2013 08:46 am
@revelette,
Why not comment on the burning of Christian Churches in Egypt by the Islamic mobs?

And then comment on the billions of $$ Americans have "donated" to Egypt, while millions of Americans can hardly find enough money for food, rent or health care?

revelette
 
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Reply Fri 16 Aug, 2013 09:02 am
@Miller,
I haven't read too much about any burning of Christian Churches, I am sure that it is happening though. However the deaths of over 638 people surely should cause some comment. (on another thread)

Also, perhaps it is time to stop sending aide to Egypt, that is a little out of my league, but right now with the military killing so many people, I don't see why we should support it.

Edit:

Looked it up, your right there has been an increase in the burning of churches.
Foofie
 
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Reply Fri 16 Aug, 2013 09:40 am
@revelette,
revelette wrote:

Your right, I should have stuck to my usual habit and left my personal life out of it. Like eavesdroppers, you get what you ask for I guess. (as in a general you, not you, before anything else starts..)

However, leaving my personal family out it, in general, do you believe bi-racial people should live in more states more welcoming to them or learn to lump it? I would hope, sooner or later, more evolved attitudes would take more of a hold in even red states like KY. I think they have comes quite a ways, as even as twenty years ago, but needs to come still further.


I can only make an analogy to Jews who were raised in the urban centers on either coast, or perhaps, Chicago. If they marry and move to a proverbial "Mayberry" (a la Andy Griffith) they might be most comfortable if they are affording the locals some expertise (doctor, dentist, etc.). The locals, in my opinion, would more likely welcome someone that affords them good utility (the "Jewish doctor from NYC"). However, a New York Jew knows he/she doesn't just move to a Mayberry and compete with locals for local jobs and will be welcomed. Unless of course one does what the Romans do in Rome, and the Jewish New Yorker has married some nice Baptist girl, and goes with her to Sunday services.

I sense that the analogy is not a good fit, since bi-racialism is more complicated today, than 100 years ago, when there were monikers other than bi-racial. As you well know, anyone today that is of any Black ancestry is considered Black by the Black community. Well, that serves the Black community well when political block voting can get a Black person elected.
Does it serve bi-racial individuals well? I guess it is a personal answer from the individual that counts.

Anyway, being bi-racial, as my mother once pointed out to me, when I was a teenager (probably to apprise me of any children's difficulties, if I married a Black woman eventually), is being a "pioneer in society." And, as everyone knows, pioneers never had the comfort of the cities/towns back east. That was my mother's message to me. So, I really have nothing to offer in the way of wisdom, other than my mother's possibly realistic vision of society's slow progress to everyone being just the same type of American.

P.S.: If you saw the movie "The Help," where the Black maid told the white child that she is important and a few other positive things, I believe that message goes fairly far in maintaining one's self esteem. So, if I was in your shoes, I would just love my grandchild with such demonstrative verbosity, that my love would hopefully make the child's self-esteem inured to the harshness of unloving people that we all meet anywhere.

 

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