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@Olivier5,

I'm surprised you explained that to Apisa. He was taking the piss. He knows very well, as a sort of scientific type, that pumping energy out of the ground cannot be beat at the check-out counter,( the Hidden Hand), and that if chemical reactions could produce more energy than is put in to make them go, especially when water is a key reagent, it would have been perfected by now and every day would be like Christmas.

That's why our representatives need to have scientific advisers. They might get carried away with a scheme such as Apisa proposed if left on their own.

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@farmerman,

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Yu aren't that dumb I know. You are always looking at ways to try to disparage your intellectual betters , so Im not surprised that you would try to strike out on Set. Its just that you didn't get away with it silly old moo that you are.

Crank the ******* tractor up fm!! Cranking you own ego is a complete waste of time. You can't impress people whose nerves you are getting on.

And no intellectual would constantly use expressions such as "ludicrous fairy tales" over and over and over. And especially not about a book that has stood the test of so much time and was the only choice for Gutenberg's first effort. What is a first edition of that worth now? A lot more than Setanta's accommodation I should think.

In fact, if a 16th century forester's cabin was found as it had been left and there were a few pages of the Gutenberg Bible in the dunny hole each of them would be worth more that Setanta's residence.

And no intellectual would ignore the input of others unless it was physical. Such a thing is the pristine hallmark of an anti-intellectual.

And neither would any intellectual use the playground pejoratives you use to validate your points in the event you make any.

Such morbid points as I have alluded to gently are only possible if the assumption is entertained that A2K has no intellectuals.

And I'm one. In fact it is people like me who make anti-intellectualism so popular.

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

Not to mention cow farts . . . but i won't mention those . . .

What a shame! Had you mentioned them, I would now be able point out that CH4 is a potent greenhouse gas that is heavier than both N2 and O2, the main components of our atmosphere. Now I can't point it out. Bummer.

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@Thomas,

Can you imagine what it must have been like when dinosaurs roamed the earth?

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@Setanta,

Maybe I can, but do I want to?

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@Thomas,

Seems like these two not only want to discuss the matter but would probably just love to elaborate and go into the minute details except that their Christian upbringing forbids it. So much so that these lower-class allusions we are getting are probably considered daring.

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@Thomas,

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That would be true on a planet without wind and diffusion, but not on the planet we actually live on.

May I ask you sometyhing. Trees are drying irretirvably all over the planet. The most probable explanation for this is acid rain ... and pollution.
Have you paid attention that we are breathing the very same air ... that has sent these trees in the Dimension X?

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@spendius,

I don't think Frank was being disingenious. In general he's straightforward, in my experience.

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@Herald,

There are approximately tree hundred trousered trillion, tree hundred million, thirty tree hundred thousand, tree hundred and thirty tree trees in this world Herald so I would say that they are coping.

I met a guy today who had a tree lying on its side on his lawn with a great big canvas bag holding the roots. I assume the bag is biodegradable. I asked him how much it cost. £7,000 he said. That's near $10,000.

He then pointed one out to me which was growing in his grounds about 300 yards off and he asked me what I thought that had cost. I was lost for words really and he could tell so he told me. 15 thousand quid.

Maybe they are trees which produce dope that few people know about. Maybe they thrive in acidic conditions and he's planning selling the seeds or the saplings he grows himself which he fixes up so that they are infertile. That's your fears allayed I hope.

Who knows? He might very well be a complete idiot.

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@Olivier5,

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I don't think Frank was being disingenious. In general he's straightforward, in my experience.

You think he meant the power from water hypothesis seriously then? And the oil companies have bought up the patents, which they would have done if I had been holding them, and are sitting on them because it would turn oil producing countries upside down. It wouldn't take long before there were home generating kits on e-bay.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

I don't think Frank was being disingenious. In general he's straightforward, in my experience.

Thank you, Olivier.

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@Herald,

Trees are being cut down at alarming rates. As usual, the rest of your thesis is fantasy, and not a very imaginative fantasy at that.

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@Frank Apisa,

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Thank you, Olivier.

What for? Congratulations on being shown to be a straightforward diddico.

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@Setanta,

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Trees are being cut down at alarming rates. As usual, the rest of your thesis is fantasy, and not a very imaginative fantasy at that.

And that wasn't very imaginative either.

It should be noted by astute observers of the scene that belittling the imagination of others is a tried and tested method of calling attention to the superior imaginative powers of the bellitterer when any other validation of it is absent.

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@spendius,

I think he had / was exposed to this idea and thought it could work. He might not have realized it fits an old conspiration theory... Neither did I in fact.

You may have grundges that I don't harbour (yet?), hence i tend to give some posters more credit than you do.

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@Frank Apisa,

Most welcome, Frank. How's life?

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@Frank Apisa,

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Why are we not building plants (sorta hydro electric plants) capable of turning sea water into hydrogen and oxygen much more efficiently and expeditiously than trees can use CO2 to make oxygen...and then use the hydrogen as a fuel and allow the oxygen to replenish the oxygen needed in the environment?

Weve done electrolytic stuff for a centry or more. It takes a lot of energy to separate a chemically bonded molecule like water. Plants do it really efficiently and use the carbon to produce biomass. CO2 used in photosynthesis is really natural fertilizer an some say that a spike in CO2 would be great for plants.

Ive never looked into the economics of large scale electrolysis of water so I don't have any idea of how much expense would be involved (even by PV cells)
Sorry, not my area

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

Most welcome, Frank. How's life?

Fine. Golf is great.

And I did not know about that conspiracy theory either. Apparently Spendius is up on those things.

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

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Why are we not building plants (sorta hydro electric plants) capable of turning sea water into hydrogen and oxygen much more efficiently and expeditiously than trees can use CO2 to make oxygen...and then use the hydrogen as a fuel and allow the oxygen to replenish the oxygen needed in the environment?

Weve done electrolytic stuff for a centry or more. It takes a lot of energy to separate a chemically bonded molecule like water. Plants do it really efficiently and use the carbon to produce biomass. CO2 used in photosynthesis is really natural fertilizer an some say that a spike in CO2 would be great for plants.

Ive never looked into the economics of large scale electrolysis of water so I don't have any idea of how much expense would be involved (even by PV cells)
Sorry, not my area

Thanks, Farmerman...and the others who have offered comments on this. I didn't think it would be anything easy, but I have been reading about deforestation...and its effect on oxygen. I just wondered.

I guess it would be imprudent to ask why we cannot pipeline ship water from constantly flooded areas to area constantly under drought!

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@Frank Apisa,

About 25 years ago, I was involved in doing a geophysical project to "mine" underground springs that discharge into the Eastern Mediterranean. Israel hd wanted to tap these resources by using a bit of what you are suggesting. We could collect and pump almost 10 million gal of water DAY from a deep storage aquifer. The water was OLD, very old, almost 30000years.
It may sound looney bt mining water at ocean discharge points is growing very populr . Otherwise it just goes to waste by seeping our to sea

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