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The moral differences between the holocaust and bombing Japan

 
 
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 9 Aug, 2013 11:15 am
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:

Your God


Oh, now you're in trouble. Wink
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Foofie
 
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Reply Fri 9 Aug, 2013 11:16 am
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:

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But, if I was a Gentile New Yorker, that did not have any education beyond high school, I could see myself resenting the success that American-Jews have, and find all sorts of rationalizations to think of themselves as not equal to any Gentile worth his or her Christmas stocking. It is just human nature to many times resent those that appear to be better-off than oneself, in some way, big or small.


This is sad but true, many people do see things this way. Our nature does seem to be this way to a large degree. I think it mainly has to do with seeing others as different than you.

I see some people as different than me culturally speaking but I think we all should be treated the same way you would want your mother to be treated.
That is if you do love your mother.


Stop getting maudlin. The "have-nots" will always resent the "haves."

The reason Jews prosper in the U.S. is because the folks that really own/run the country think of Jews, and a few other groups, as a worthwhile resource to maintain the U.S. in its dominant position in the world. Simple utility.

You need not worry about who does not like Jews. There are Jews that do not like all Gentiles. Gentiles are not one monolithic group. Jews as part of their ongoing assimilation, in my opinion, just pursue upward mobility, with all the social class distinctions that includes.

neologist
 
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Reply Fri 9 Aug, 2013 11:16 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

neologist wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
Neo...since your god worked it out so that EVERY SINGLE HUMAN BEING will die...

...how can you come to the conclusion that the god thinks each death is an abomination?
Not my God, but the god who first appeared in Genesis chapter 3.


Perhaps you did not understand my question.

Since YOUR god (wherever that god came from) worked it out so that EVERY SINGLE HUMAN BEING will die...

...how can you come to the conclusion that the god thinks each death is an abomination?


We are not talking about the same god Frank. I think you know that.
neologist
 
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Reply Fri 9 Aug, 2013 11:20 am
@reasoning logic,
I believe you and Frank are referring to the same god. In which case, you are both right.
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 9 Aug, 2013 11:24 am
@neologist,
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as that was not the intent of my post.


By all means then, Neo, expand on what you did mean. I'll fall all over myself doing so, if an apology is warranted.
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 9 Aug, 2013 11:25 am
@Frank Apisa,
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Perhaps you did not understand my question.


READ: Perhaps you did not understand my diversion.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Fri 9 Aug, 2013 11:33 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Finn dAbuzz wrote:
It really boggles the mind that anyone could suggest the two events are morally equivalent, but it is, sadly, explainable by generations far removed from the facts of WWII, sorely uneducated in terms of history, and convinced that it is "cool" to "like" the Palestinians.


You really are a snide **** to conflate two separate issues. Maybe you only adopt a moral stance because you think it's cool, but the fact is the Palestinians are an oppressed people enduring a brutal occupation. There's nothing cool about thinking that.

It's a lot better than thinking it's cool to invade a country on completely fabricated evidence, slaughter thousands and destabilise a whole region just because the leader slighted America's sense of self importance.


I thought the inference being that those youngish Europeans or Americans that believe the Palestinean issue is their issue is based on how cool it may be to side with the Palestineans. Nothing was said about the actual facts of the issue. Coolness was the point. "Cool" like the beatniks were cool. "Cool" like young people like to be cool, which correlates to everything they do is acceptable. "Cool" like young people often strive for to feel popular amongst peers. "Cool" as in not acting one's age, but thinking that one's coolness allows for immature behavior. [Foofie's left hand gives Foofie's right hand a high-five. Foofie is not cool though.]
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 9 Aug, 2013 11:39 am
@Foofie,
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Stop getting maudlin. The "have-nots" will always resent the "haves."


Are you intentionally stereotyping the have nots the way that some gentiles may stereotype some Jews that they have encountered?
neologist
 
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Reply Fri 9 Aug, 2013 11:46 am
@JTT,
Apparently you did not read the entire post, focusing only on the first part. Frank and RL focused on the latter part, as you may have noticed.

I thought my post answered the OP, by comparing the reported death counts. But, to be accurate, about 50,000,000 were killed in WWII, making the OP seem less relevant. That is, until you count the immeasurable deaths of all the wars of human history. The culprits in those deaths would be the priests who maintain their comfortable positions by supplying cannon fodder to their respective governments.

For this, the true God is keeping account.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 9 Aug, 2013 11:47 am
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

neologist wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
Neo...since your god worked it out so that EVERY SINGLE HUMAN BEING will die...

...how can you come to the conclusion that the god thinks each death is an abomination?
Not my God, but the god who first appeared in Genesis chapter 3.


Perhaps you did not understand my question.

Since YOUR god (wherever that god came from) worked it out so that EVERY SINGLE HUMAN BEING will die...

...how can you come to the conclusion that the god thinks each death is an abomination?


We are not talking about the same god Frank. I think you know that.


Perhaps. BUT MY QUESTION IS ABOUT YOUR GOD.

So why not answer the question?
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 9 Aug, 2013 11:48 am
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

I believe you and Frank are referring to the same god. In which case, you are both right.


Neo...are you suggesting that YOUR GOD...has not set up things so that EVERY HUMAN BEING will die at some point?

If you are not suggesting that...the question stands.

Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 9 Aug, 2013 11:50 am
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

Apparently you did not read the entire post, focusing only on the first part. Frank and RL focused on the latter part, as you may have noticed.

I thought my post answered the OP, by comparing the reported death counts. But, to be accurate, about 50,000,000 were killed in WWII, making the OP seem less relevant. That is, until you count the immeasurable deaths of all the wars of human history. The culprits in those deaths would be the priests who maintain their comfortable positions by supplying cannon fodder to their respective governments.



The only thing I had a question about what the latter part.

Still waiting for an answer.

Quote:
For this, the true God is keeping account.


That is the god the question was about.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 9 Aug, 2013 11:51 am
@neologist,
Quote:

I thought my post answered the OP, by comparing the reported death counts.


Is that how you determine morality is by death counts?
Foofie
 
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Reply Fri 9 Aug, 2013 11:52 am
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:

Quote:

Stop getting maudlin. The "have-nots" will always resent the "haves."


Are you intentionally stereotyping the have nots the way that some gentiles may stereotype some Jews that they have encountered?


Where was the stereotyping? I am talking about "resentment" of those that are perceived to have something one does not have. Jews collectively do not resent anyone for having more than them. If you know any Jews, it is more likely that Jews just admire those that have more than them, and use those "haves" as a role-model. No resentment from Jews, for all intensive purposes. You may not really understand what opportunity Jews see themselves as having in the U.S., as opposed to the centuries (actually millenia) of disenfranchisement in Europe.

Do you see your comment was inappropriate to my post?
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 9 Aug, 2013 12:00 pm
@Foofie,
Quote:
I am talking about "resentment" of those that are perceived to have something one does not have. Jews collectively do not resent anyone for having more than them. If you know any Jews, it is more likely that Jews just admire those that have more than them, and use those "haves" as a role-model.


Do you think that there are no have-not gentiles that use the same philosophy
to better themselves?
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 9 Aug, 2013 12:01 pm
@Foofie,
Foofie…in another forum where I participate, I had a Jewish physician say, “Jews have never done anything wrong to anyone.”

I challenged her on that…and it caused quite a heated argument. I think by the end of the argument, the challenge that I made to that absurd characterization prevailed.

Here, you wrote:

Quote:
Jews collectively do not resent anyone for having more than them. If you know any Jews, it is more likely that Jews just admire those that have more than them, and use those "haves" as a role-model. No resentment from Jews, for all intensive purposes.


You are in effect suggesting that Jews, collectively, are much more possessed of the traits that short-circuit a natural human response like “resentment” than are non-Jews.

Do you stand by that suggestion?
neologist
 
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Reply Fri 9 Aug, 2013 12:01 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
neologist wrote:
I believe you and Frank are referring to the same god. In which case, you are both right.
Neo...are you suggesting that YOUR GOD...has not set up things so that EVERY HUMAN BEING will die at some point?

If you are not suggesting that...the question stands.
We've been about this so many times, Frank. It all goes back to our dispute over the Genesis account. My God, Jehovah, created Adam and Eve to live forever. The entity who appeared in Chapter 3 is the god responsible for 6000 years of human misery.

There are many bones in this carcass you and I have chewed to the marrow. We can totally derail this thread over any one of them, not the least of which is why Jehovah would let this situation continue for even a moment, let alone 6 millenniums.

Shall we retire to another thread, Frank?
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 9 Aug, 2013 12:01 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Still waiting for an answer.


Oh, the gall, or the stupidity. Which is it, Frank?
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neologist
 
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Reply Fri 9 Aug, 2013 12:03 pm
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:
Quote:
I thought my post answered the OP, by comparing the reported death counts.
Is that how you determine morality is by death counts?
You need to improve your reading skill
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 9 Aug, 2013 12:05 pm
@neologist,
No, I read it all, Neo, before I replied the first time. I guess I just don't understand the point you are trying to make.
 

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