Snowdon is a dummy

@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
You seem to be indicating that stealing classified government documents is rampant in Germany (almost a thousand cases since 1990)...either that, or you posted something that has no issue with what was being discussed.[/b]

We have in our laws and legal system obviously a very different legal terminology, words in our laws obviously mean something different.

I (nor anyone) could ever know how many "classified government documents" (and I add her: "classified documents from other public offices and administrations", since that would be by far the majority of classified documents) without looking through the various sentences. Most aren't online - I just took the numbers given by the Federal Prosecution (who has primary jurisdiction in cases of terrorism, espionage, treason, and genocide).

Walter...

...I was having a discussion with Olivier about stealing classified government documents and releasing them to people unauthorized to receive them.

You injected your comments on the subject...actually linking to my comments.

This is your post:

http://able2know.org/topic/217301-521#post-5761466

What was that post about?

Since it linked to my discussion of people stealing classified government documents and releasing them to people unauthorized to receive them...you must have been saying that it happened in Germany the number of times you sited.

Not trying to be difficult here...but is there any other logical way to interpret that?

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@izzythepush,

Indeed, and all these WMDs were found and disposed off... What was not to love in that Iraq war? I wish we had one like that started every day...

Bottom line, whoever opposed it was an enemy of mankind.

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@Frank Apisa,

Whatever!

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@Frank Apisa,

If we're repeating what we previously posted, here is what I said, in simple words:

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spying a little is a lesser offense than spying a lot.

If there's any part of that sentence which you fail to understand, just ask. Don't be shy. I understand you need to make baby steps.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Whatever!

Walter...man up and acknowledge that I was right in what I was saying about your post.

I wrote (and you quoted):

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So...you see stealing classified government documents and releasing them to the world as "a minor offense."

Interesting...although bizarre. People have been put to death for doing just that in the past...or given a punishment of life in prison. Obviously, society does not share your opinion on the seriousness of the offense.

You responded:

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Some societies do so. See for instance our
CRIMINAL CODE (English translation) §§ 93, 94, 99.

Out of the 253 persons who were convicted between 1990 and today, 51 got prison (more than two years), 154 got prison below two years (all on suspended sentence), 8 got punitive fines.
737 charges were dismissed, some of those against a fine.

What else could you have been saying?

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

What else could you have been saying?

I was referring, as quoted, to the paragraphs 93, 94, and 99 of the German criminal code.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

If we're repeating what we previously posted, here is what I said, in simple words:

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spying a little is a lesser offense than spying a lot.

If there's any part of that sentence which you fail to understand, just ask. Don't be shy. I understand you need to make baby steps.

Stop the nonsense, Olivier...you may get away with that when fighting with the other kids in the playground...but this is A2K.

What you ACTUALLY SAID was:

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You see the minor offense by Snowden but not the major one by the NSA. A case of mental myopia perhaps...

http://able2know.org/topic/217301-521#post-5761332

You were calling the offense by Snowden a minor offense.

Period.

And the offenses with which Snowden is charged are stealing classified government documents and releasing them to persons unauthorized to receive them.

So you were calling stealing classified government documents and releasing them to persons unauthorized to receive them...a minor offense...which is exactly what I said you were saying.

And I called to your attention that people have been put to death after being found guilty of doing that...or put in prison for life for doing it.

It is far from "a minor offense."

As for the so-called "major offenses" of the NSA (which you are pretending to be comparing them with)...I don't think a single one of them has been found to be an offense at all...none found to be illegal so far.

So as I said...save the nonsense for the playground. Here in A2K you gotta do much better.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
What else could you have been saying?

I was referring, as quoted, to the paragraphs 93, 94, and 99 of the German criminal code.

C'mon, Walter...man up.

You had to be saying that in YOUR society, people consider stealing classified government documents to be a minor offense...and you had to be illustrating it by giving the statistics of it happening.

You are being ridiculous here, Walter...and you are much too serious a man to make yourself look ridiculous.

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@Olivier5,

I did not say or imply that. I said both had agenda's, personally I don't think any unauthorized persons are to be trusted to have so much information, but people with an axe to grind (whether it is deserved or not is not the point), is a little worrisome.

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@revelette2,

Everybody has an agenda, rev, including you. Try and be more specific about what exactly bugs you here.

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@Frank Apisa,

So did you understand what I said or not? Sorry but your walls of text are not worth my time.

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@Olivier5,

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Who cares?

I didn't want to appear picayune by criticizing you, Oliver5, but why such a snot-nose sneering response above?! My post wasn't addressed to you but Rabel, yet you sought to inject your uncalled for opinion?! I'm beginning to think you are the archetype of a sore loser; you like to argue and when someone get the best of the argument you become ill-humored.

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@Walter Hinteler,

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Sometimes I really wonder: have you ever been to an asylum camp in any country? Do you know what rights asylum have?

Traditionally, yes, I do have some idea what "asylum" is like. But for a while there I had read that Snowden had a very nice apartment in a country where decent apartments were difficult to get for the average Russian.....so how is it Snowden were so successful?! Also, once when Putin gave a televised call-in program, Snowden was able to call in and ask a question of the Russian leader. How curious it was that Snowden could just randomly call in like that. The implication was he was treated rather special within certain rules. Obviously I don't have anything to support what I've written above, only what I read and not sure if it were on a blog,the cable media, on the threads here....

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(According to Snowden, he knows that he didn't get there on a green card.)

True. Russia was the very last place on earth Mr. Snowden would have wanted to seek asylum; unfortunately, he did not figure on the US revoking his passport.

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@Moment-in-Time,

I'm very good humored, MIT. Beside, I actually think I am winning the argument. :-)

"Who cares?" was in response to your obvious obsession with Snowden. You seem to care for him, his loneliness, what he had to give up... much more than I do. What's that about?

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@Moment-in-Time,

Moment-in-Time wrote:

unfortunately, he did not figure on the US revoking his passport.

A fate, he shares with some hundred thousands of asylum seekers from other countries ... who unfortunately don't have his celebrity background.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

So did you understand what I said or not?

Yes, I understood what you said. You were trying to weasel out of what you actually said earlier.

You do that sort of thing a lot.

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Sorry but your walls of text are not worth my time.

Then you ought to question yourself about why you spend so much time with them!

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

I'm very good humored, MIT. Beside, I actually think I am winning the argument. :-)

Actually, Olivier, when you are "losing" an argument...you DO tend to become rather ill-tempered.

And I cannot think of any part of this discussion where you are even close to "winning" anything.

But I understand that you think you are. You often think that...which is probably why you continue to dig when the hole you are in is already deep enough.

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@Frank Apisa,

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Yes, I understood what you said.

I said that RELATIVE TO THE MUCH LARGER CRIMES COMMITTED BY THE NSA, Snowden's disclosure was a minor offense. Did you get that?

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why you spend so much time with them!

I don't read them. Should I?

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@revelette2,

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Since yesterday, I have been reading about Laura Poitras too, I have been reading about Glen Greenwald for about a week now. These people, seem like they have good intentions, however, they are hardly unbiased newspaper reporters or film documentaries.

It would be nearly impossible for these two journalists to be objective or "unbiased." Their interests are very much aligned with Snowden's desire to have the world know. Glenn Greenwald has just written a book based on info from Snowden; he also has joined up with a multi-billionaire to open a media company which most likely will feature material from Snowden. Greenwald has done very well for himself since the Snowden stolen classified documents were gratuitously given to him by the NSA contractor.

Laura Poitras was one of the recipients of the Snowden classified documents largess. I know next to nothing about her.

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@Olivier5,

It is not really anything specific, just a thought news reporters should be unbiased. They seem to walk a fine line between news reporting and political activism.

Greenwald has left the Guardian hasn't he and started his own newspaper company?

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