Snowdon is a dummy

@RABEL222,

> Broken laws

> Laws broken by those you want to punish Snowden

> Snowden is the bad guy, when he's not the first one?

> When he was doing it to catch the government's hands in this social cookie jar?

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@revelette2,

revelette2 wrote:

No, I was simply misinformed, up until today I thought Snowden only gave the stolen documents to Glen Greenwald and he decided what was to released to various people. Regardless, a newspaper company and a woman who makes films is hardly qualified either.

Your admitted ignorance of what is going on doesn't stop you pontificating to the rest of us. At least we've been bothered to get ourselves informed about what's happening.

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@RABEL222,

RABEL222 wrote:

Come on Izzy. Snowdon downloaded the info and distributed it to friends and aquaintances.

No, he distributed it to reputable news organisations who he knew would take a responsible line and expose the criminality whilst safeguarding what needed to be safeguarded. Only a fraction of what was downloaded has been released.

He could have dumped the whole lot on to the internet.

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@RABEL222,

No it's not, but half the time you're aware of what's going on, and can use your settings to stop such activities going on, and if they break the law they should face charges.

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$50 billion a year spent on intell and we cant ever figure out what Putin is up to. That is great.

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@hawkeye10,

When you make a good point you make a really good point. Instead of sifting through mass data trawls about what people had for lunch, and how their kids are doing at school, the resources could be targeted a lot better.

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@RABEL222,

You're right, the debate is useless because you guys are "penny wise dollar stupid". You see the minor offense by Snowden but not the major one by the NSA. A case of mental myopia perhaps...

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@RABEL222,

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He is the one responsible for all this and if he really was the hero some of you think would have the balls to come back and face justice rather than hunker down in a foreign country and try to avoid a real jury trial by trying to get a pardon.

Happy Wednesday morning, Rabel. There are hints Edward Snowden will return to the US sooner than later. The ambience in Russia is not exactly conducive to one of Snowden's temperament or many others coming from a "freer" western society. He's accustomed to more liberty than he now finds himself engulfed in. Mr. Snowden admits he most likely is being kept under scrutiny by Russian authorities, and the strain might be telling on the former NSA contractor as he's indicated if he had to go in chains to Guantánamo he "could live with that." He might also be lonely for "home" because he says he is isolated and alone.

It would appear Snowden did not think long hard with respect to his decision to damage the US by hightailing it out of the country with NSA's confidential documents. By now, he should have realized the accolades he has thus far received from many of America's critics are dwarfed in comparison to what he's had to give up in exchange.

Have a good day.....

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@hawkeye10,

Well, yeah but you know exactly what Merkel is up to... :-)

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@Moment-in-Time,

Who cares?

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@Moment-in-Time,

Moment-in-Time wrote:

The ambience in Russia is not exactly conducive to one of Snowden's temperament or many others coming from a "freer" western society. He's accustomed to more liberty than he now finds himself engulfed in. Mr. Snowden admits he most likely is being kept under scrutiny by Russian authorities, and the strain might be telling on the former NSA contractor as he's indicated if he had to go in chains to Guantánamo he "could live with that." He might also be lonely for "home" because he says he is isolated and alone.

Sometimes I really wonder: have you ever been to an asylum camp in any country? Do you know what rights asylum have?

(According to Snowden, he knows that he didn't get there on a green card.)

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Since yesterday, I have been reading about Laura Poitras too, I have been reading about Glen Greenwald for about a week now. These people, seem like they have good intentions, however, they are hardly unbiased newspaper reporters or film documentaries.

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@revelette2,

To be unbiased is to be dead.

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@Olivier5,

Sounds good anyway.

The point is they seem to have agendas which is why Snowden picked them.

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@revelette2,

revelette2 wrote:

however, they are hardly unbiased newspaper reporters or film documentaries.

Who is? Once you start reporting on a subject you develop a bias. There is a world of difference between the bias shown by reputable broadsheet journalists and the shoddy character assassinations practiced by the gutter press.

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@revelette2,

And who else should he have picked? The average Joe in the street? People with an agenda opposed to his???

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@revelette2,

revelette2 wrote:

The point is they seem to have agendas which is why Snowden picked them.

He trusted them - what's wrong with it?

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

You're right, the debate is useless because you guys are "penny wise dollar stupid". You see the minor offense by Snowden but not the major one by the NSA. A case of mental myopia perhaps...

So...you see stealing classified government documents and releasing them to the world as "a minor offense."

Interesting...although bizarre. People have been put to death for doing just that in the past...or given a punishment of life in prison. Obviously, society does not share your opinion on the seriousness of the offense.

Nor should it!

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

So...you see stealing classified government documents and releasing them to the world as "a minor offense."

Interesting...although bizarre. People have been put to death for doing just that in the past...or given a punishment of life in prison. Obviously, society does not share your opinion on the seriousness of the offense.

Some societies do so. See for instance our
CRIMINAL CODE (English translation) §§ 93, 94, 99.

Out of the 253 persons who were convicted between 1990 and today, 51 got prison (more than two years), 154 got prison below two years (all on suspended sentence), 8 got punitive fines.
737 charges were dismissed, some of those against a fine.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
So...you see stealing classified government documents and releasing them to the world as "a minor offense."

Interesting...although bizarre. People have been put to death for doing just that in the past...or given a punishment of life in prison. Obviously, society does not share your opinion on the seriousness of the offense.

Some societies do so. See for instance our
http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_stgb/englisch_stgb.html#p0931][b]CRIMINAL CODE[/b] (English translation) §§ 93, 94, 99.

Out of the 253 persons who were convicted between 1990 and today, 51 got prison (more than two years), 154 got prison below two years (all on suspended sentence), 8 got punitive fines.
737 charges were dismissed, some of those against a fine.

Maybe that is why so many Germans are willing to steal classified documents from their government and release them to people who have no authority to receive them.

Almost a thousand instances of it happening in German in that time!!!

Sounds like Germany ought to wake up and put some teeth into laws against doing that sort of thing. Don't you think so?

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