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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
RABEL222
 
  1  
Sun 7 Jul, 2013 05:56 pm
@ossobuco,
? Short term memory is shot.
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Really? How is that possible? Wink
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cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Sun 7 Jul, 2013 06:08 pm
@JTT,
Look at JTT's endless refrain,
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The US certainly qualifies as one of the top agents of Satan.
He also claimed "all Americans are guilty."

And people wants to defend this asshole. Sorry, but I don't git it!
Mame
 
  1  
Sun 7 Jul, 2013 08:44 pm
@cicerone imposter,
He may mean "Americans are guilty" because they do nothing about it; they claim ignorance or other reasons. What's that phrase? I can't think at the moment, but, it's basically if you're not for it, you're against it. No such thing as standing on middle ground. That's how Americans are guilty.
cicerone imposter
 
  3  
Sun 7 Jul, 2013 09:00 pm
@Mame,
Does he understand anything about how governments work? Once elected, they can declare war whether we agree with it or not. I've written to my congresswoman, Diane Feinstein, not to approve the Iraq war, but she told me they had information that required them to approve the president's request for war.

We later found out I was right and the government was wrong; there were no WMD's found in Iraq.

How does that make all Americans guilty?

BTW, that was not the only time I have written to my congress rep or the president.

JTT
 
  1  
Sun 7 Jul, 2013 09:21 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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I said "it was a failure of government." You missed that. Not my problem.


I didn't miss that at all. I wasn't particularly focused on that one, but now that you've brought it to center stage. It wasn't "a failure of government". But if you're content with that euphemism so be it.

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Then Thomas asked you,

"And why do you sneer at people, however colorful and flawed, who expose its abuses?"

and you have completely avoided it, for at least the third time, not counting Thomas's initial asking.
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joefromchicago
 
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Sun 7 Jul, 2013 09:24 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:
and you completely avoided it, like you are doing here with my question.

You better pay attention, C.I., because if there's one thing JTT knows something about, it's avoiding questions.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sun 7 Jul, 2013 09:32 pm
@joefromchicago,
JTT is a ******* bore and a hypocrite. I have him on Ignore, but with many I put on Ignore, I still peek in once in awhile to see if their MO changed; it rarely does.

Why people bother engaging this idiot is even a more of a surprise; he's insulted everybody with his big sweep of US crimes.

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JTT
 
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Sun 7 Jul, 2013 09:37 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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Does he understand anything about how governments work? Once elected, they can declare war whether we agree with it or not. I've written to my congresswoman, Diane Feinstein, not to approve the Iraq war, but she told me they had information that required them to approve the president's request for war.

We later found out I was right and the government was wrong; there were no WMD's found in Iraq.


Why is there this common theme that runs thru virtually all of the US, it's brought up in every election, it's hammered home time and again - people have to be held responsible for their actions. Little people constantly go to jail for minor crimes or more serious ones.

Point out one US president, CI, that has been required to accept any responsibility for what are, according to laws established by the US, war crimes and terrorism.

Just look at your two hands, palms up, as a scale. Now weigh what has been the actual damage done by Bradley Manning or George Bush. It has never been established that anyone has been killed because of B Manning, though it's often been pimped as this big deal. Consider G Bush's side, how many dead, how many lives ruined, how much damage done to both sides, US and Iraq.

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The Kellogg–Briand Pact (or Pact of Paris, officially General Treaty for Renunciation of War as an Instrument of National Policy[1]) was a 1928 international agreement in which signatory states promised not to use war to resolve "disputes or conflicts of whatever nature or of whatever origin they may be, which may arise among them".[2] Parties failing to abide by this promise "should be denied the benefits furnished by this treaty".


Who's in jail, who's contemplating some serious jail time, which man has caused the greatest damage?

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JTT
 
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Sun 7 Jul, 2013 09:51 pm
@joefromchicago,
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You better pay attention, C.I., because if there's one thing JTT knows something about, it's avoiding questions.


Says Joe, the guy who has failed to answer at least three posts of mine in this thread.

Joe, if you possessed a scintilla of honesty you would fill everyone in on the background.

Do you know who this is, in italics, below?

You want me to answer your questions without extending the same courtesy to me? No, I'm afraid we can't proceed on that basis. As long as you selectively quote from my posts and ignore my questions, I have no problem doing the same with yours.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 7 Jul, 2013 11:05 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Here's an article on German intelligence agencies and what they do.

You tell me if they are living under the laws of Germany - and your personal expectations about internal and external coordination of intelligence information?
I know quite a bit about our intelligence agencies.
I'm sure that they work like any other agency.
They should work under the laws .... and have quite a lot to explain now.
cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 7 Jul, 2013 11:56 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
I think so too.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 8 Jul, 2013 02:52 am
@cicerone imposter,
The English version of that yesterday quoted spiegel-online report (extract of the printed report @ Spiegel) is now online:
spiegel-online wrote:
[...]
Intensive Cooperation with Germany

SPIEGEL reporting also indicates that cooperation between the NSA and Germany's foreign intelligence service, the BND, is more intensive than previously known. The NSA, for example, provides "analysis tools" for the BND to monitor signals from foreign data streams that travel through Germany. Among the BND's focuses are the Middle East route through which data packets from crisis regions travel.

BND head Gerhard Schindler confirmed the partnership during a recent meeting with members of the German parliament's control committee for intelligence issues.

But it's not just the BND's activities that are the focus of the interview with Snowden.

The 30-year-old also provides new details about Britain's Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ). He says that Britain's Tempora system is the signal intelligence community's first "full-take Internet buffer," meaning that it saves all of the data passing through the country.
[...]
Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 8 Jul, 2013 04:09 am
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After nearly two years of preparation, the United States and the European Union have finally begun talks on a free-trade agreement. But the talks are overshadowed by a spying scandal and face major regulatory hurdles.

The United States and the European Union on Monday started talks on the so-called Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP). While the two major trading blocs have already lowered direct tariffs, non-tariff barriers (NTB) are at the center of the negotiations.
[...]
The London-based Centre for Economic Policy Research in London estimated that TTIP could add about 119 billion euros annually to the EU economy, and 95 billion euros for the United States.

However, the negotiations face significant hurdles, and a series of national sensitivities need to be overcome. ...

Moreover, the talks are overshadowed by a recent trans-Atlantic row over revelations that the US National Security Agency tapped telephone conversations and Internet records in Europe.

Last week, France called for the TTIP negotiations to be put off while talks on resolving the data scandal, which also began Monday, had not yet finished. But ultimately, the 28-nation EU decided to go ahead with the free trade talks.
Source
joefromchicago
 
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Mon 8 Jul, 2013 06:17 am
@JTT,
Sure, I know who that was. It was you, quoting me in a pathetically transparent and desperate attempt to shift attention away from your inexplicable refusal to answer a simple question. I encourage everyone to view that thread - most, of course, won't be able to see your posts, but they can read mine, and since you didn't say anything really worth reading, I'm confident that they can get the gist of it just by reading my posts.

Furthermore, although you misused it to deflect the conversation away from your persistent evasiveness, that quotation still contains good advice. I no longer ask you any questions because I no longer have any expectation of getting an honest answer from you. If you genuinely feel the same way about me, I suggest you end your fruitless attempts to engage me in a conversation. Or else you can actually answer the question. Your choice.
izzythepush
 
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Mon 8 Jul, 2013 06:23 am
@joefromchicago,
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Although early ultra-nationalists called for a tempering of Japan’s ‘westernisation’, through limits on industrialisation, their focus changed after the First World War. Western politicians criticised Japan’s imperial ambitions and limited Japanese military expansion (in 1922’s Five Power Naval Limitation Agreement). The 1924 Japanese Exclusion Act prohibited Japanese immigration into the US. Ultra-nationalists saw these actions as provocative; they moved towards xenophobic, emperor-centred and Asia-centric positions, portraying the ‘ABCD Powers’ (America-British-Chinese-Dutch) as threatening the Japanese Empire.


http://www.history.co.uk/explore-history/ww2/imperial-japan.html
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cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 8 Jul, 2013 09:42 am
@Walter Hinteler,
In other words, throw the baby out with the bath water. Mr. Green
Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 8 Jul, 2013 10:04 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Now, the English version of the complete Edward Snowden interview published in this week's SPIEGEL is online.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 8 Jul, 2013 10:06 am
@cicerone imposter,
Well, how can they negotiate with the US when the US has been monitoring them, their partners, the whole time so as to have the better hand when it comes to the negotiating table?
cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 8 Jul, 2013 10:27 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Negotiation is a two-way street. The EU does not need to negotiate away any advantage they feel are important to their interests.

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Definition of negotiation (n)
ne·go·ti·a·tion [ nə gshee áysh'n ]
resolving of disagreements: the reaching of agreement through discussion and compromise
discussion sessions: one or more meetings at which attempts are made to reach agreement through discussion and compromise
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izzythepush
 
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Mon 8 Jul, 2013 10:30 am
@cicerone imposter,
There are principles involved, maybe the baby isn't worth having after all.
 

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