Snowdon is a dummy

@izzythepush,

The EU must weigh their principles against the reality of their economy in distress. That's their choice. They can still negotiate. Saying no to negotiation is childish.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Well, how can they negotiate with the US when the US has been monitoring them, their partners, the whole time so as to have the better hand when it comes to the negotiating table?

But Walter...human history sorta directs us to suppose the "partners" were doing as much as possible to do the same thing to the US...which is the way "negotiations" have regularly been conducted on this planet.

And if any of the "partners" thought that any parties would be innocent babes in the woods not even thinking of doing whatever was necessary to gain the most advantageous position...

...they should not be negotiating. They should be surrendering...to somebody.

The indignation and "I am astonished" attitude of people (and countriees) on this is damn near laughable. Are you telling me you honestly thought stuff like this was not going on...or that some countries ought to be "above" that sort of thing?

I do not see your point.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

But Walter...human history sorta directs us to suppose the "partners" were doing as much as possible to do the same thing to the US...which is the way "negotiations" have regularly been conducted on this planet.

I sincerely doubt that the EU placed bugs in the US-embassies at the UN and the EU.

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@Walter Hinteler,

You doubt, but do you know for sure? 100% sure?

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

I do not see your point.

I notice that.

How many data protection agencies are there in the USA? Or who is responsible for data protection?

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

But Walter...human history sorta directs us to suppose the "partners" were doing as much as possible to do the same thing to the US...which is the way "negotiations" have regularly been conducted on this planet.

I sincerely doubt that the EU placed bugs in the US-embassies at the UN and the EU.

Because you want to think nations are above that kind of thing. I don't...and I do not limit myself to just the US. I would be very, very surprised to learn the UK and German or any of the EU nations...are not as much into spying on friends as the US apparently is.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

I do not see your point.

I notice that.

How many data protection agencies are there in the USA? Or who is responsible for data protection?

I do not know...and I do not know.

Would the answer to either of those questions make the "I notice that" remark any more brilliant?

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@joefromchicago,

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Sure, I know who that was. It was you, quoting me in a pathetically transparent and desperate attempt to shift attention away from your inexplicable refusal to answer a simple question.

JoefromChicago: You want me to answer your questions without extending the same courtesy to me? No, I'm afraid we can't proceed on that basis. As long as you selectively quote from my posts and ignore my questions, I have no problem doing the same with yours.

Nice try, Joe. As I mentioned, there's this little issue of honesty. Why have you waited this long to tell everyone that it was me quoting the rank hypocrisy of JoefromChicago demanding that I answer his question when he refused to answer my question/questions regarding an absolutely ridiculous notion that the same hypocritical JfC advanced on a language issue?

Why would you drone on and on and on about my refusal to answer your ONE question when you have refused to answer numerous questions from me?

Why would you drone on and on and on about my refusal to answer your ONE question when you KNEW the reason for my refusal to answer your ONE question. Why would an honest guy like you, a lawyer no less, have kept that reason secret from your little rat pack?

So it really wasn't me, quoting YOU in a pathetically transparent and desperate attempt to shift attention away from your inexplicable refusal to answer a simple question, it was YOU being quoted illustrating YOU in a pathetically transparent and desperate attempt to shift attention away from your inexplicable refusal to answer a simple question; one that I'm sure an honest guy like you would admit, had come a considerable time before your "pathetically transparent and desperate attempt" to paint me as the bad guy.

Do you understand what full disclosure means?

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most, of course, won't be able to see your posts, but they can read mine,

Speaking about pathetic, Joe. Do you really think you have to do this to rally all the folks around you, the ones who ignore hundreds or thousands of pointed questions? You have the gall to make a remark like this to CI, a guy who ignores questions left and right, not just from me, but from so many.

You have the gall to pull this; I ignored ONE question from you for a good reason. You've ignored many so don't make yourself out to be what you aren't. Your hypocrisy is glaring - a read of your sanctimonious BS shows that, when folks have all the facts.

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If you genuinely feel the same way about me, I suggest you end your fruitless attempts to engage me in a conversation. Or else you can actually answer the question. Your choice.

Thanks for the advice, Mr Hypocrite. I'll just keep pointing out the errors in your posts and you decide if you want to be an honest guy like CI, Frank and the others, who sneak in and out of their little "ignore" holes, who ignore questions to beat the band. In short, do you wanna be another JoefromChicago?

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@JTT,

It must be hell to be you.

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@JTT,

The only person who "drones on and on" is you, you ******* bore! Stop your incessant criticism of the US and all Americans.

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Ellsberg's editorial on Snowden.

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@cicerone imposter,

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Saying no to negotiation is childish.

Funny you should mention that, CI.

How many Iraqis died because of the US's refusal to negotiate with UN inspectors, some even from the US, who were saying, "No WMDs"?

How many Afghans died because of the US's refusal to negotiate with the Taliban?

How many Afghans died before the US's illegal invasion of Afghanistan because of the US's refusal to negotiate with Russia, because of the US's desire to give the USSR their own Vietnam using the Afghan people as pawns?

How many Nicaraguans died because of the US's refusal to negotiate/recognize that Nicaragua had elected its own democratic government? [an exceedingly common theme in Central & Southern America]

How many Vietnamese died because of the US's refusal to negotiate with the Vietnamese people who wanted Ho Chi Minh as their leader, something that Eisenhower and subsequent US administrations knew full well?

This, above, is a short list!

And yet you and your fellow travelers, you rank apologists for war criminals and terrorists, can't see how absolutely unbelievable it is for y'all to have the temerity to even show your faces in discussions of this sort.

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@JTT,

JTT, Find another ******* hobby for christsakes.

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@joefromchicago,

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It must be hell to be you.

When Mr Eloquent Lawyer gets smacked dead in the face with honesty, all of a sudden he is at a loss for words.

Still trying to cultivate those notions of an honest Joe, eh, Joe?

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@cicerone imposter,

And yet you and your fellow travelers, you rank apologists for war criminals and terrorists, can't see how absolutely unbelievable it is for y'all to have the temerity to even show your faces in discussions of this sort.

Shocked

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

I do not know...and I do not know.

Would the answer to either of those questions make the "I notice that" remark any more brilliant?

Kind of

You see, with have such on any governmental level - from municipality over district/country to state and federal. (States and the Federal Republic have offices.)
In the private sector as well ... in any firm, corporation, association .... where more than 9 people deal with data. (Or more than 20 persons, if the data collection is not automated)

And I can legally get any information that is collected/stored from me, from anyone - even from the Federal (resp. State) Office for the Protection of the Constitution , our domestic intelligence agencies. Wink

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@cicerone imposter,

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Stop your incessant criticism of the US and all Americans.

Stop providing you, CI, [and people like you], rank apologists for war criminals and terrorists [note that YOU have many times described these same actions] with source material showing that the US has rarely if ever been a force for good.

And, AGAIN, you have the temerity to suggest that this giant sham, this incredible two centuries long mockery of the truth, this complete revocation of all the principles that the US was supposedly founded on, should not be discussed.

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@cicerone imposter,

It's not the EU that needs to be seen to move on this.

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@Frank Apisa,

What particularly rankles is that although US citizens were offered some protection from their intrusive security services, EU citizens had none.

It's one thing having your own government spying on you, it's quite another having a foreign power that in some ways is quite inimical to our values and freedoms.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
I do not know...and I do not know.

Would the answer to either of those questions make the "I notice that" remark any more brilliant?

Kind of

You see, with have such on any governmental level - from municipality over district/country to state and federal. (States and the Federal Republic have offices.)
In the private sector as well ... in any firm, corporation, association .... where more than 9 people deal with data. (Or more than 20 persons, if the data collection is not automated)

And I can legally get any information that is collected/stored from me, from anyone - even from the Federal (resp. State) Office for the Protection of the Constitution , our domestic intelligence agencies.

And you know for a fact that your government is not playing the same kinds of games on its citizens that you suppose the government of the US is playing on its? Confused

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