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What are your pet peeves re English usage?

 
 
McTag
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2005 05:45 am
Valpower wrote:
McTag wrote:
Well phooey, friend JTT, and Pinker to me is like a red rag to a bull. A pox on your Pinker, a murrain on his verbiose hide.

I think if it can be said simply, that's how it should be said.

Gosh I've just contradicted myself.

Anyway,"hit" is better than "impact" in that case, imho.


Enheart, McT. Impact problemmed me too, but I sicked of uphilling it. Besides, I think it nuances differently than hit. But that's just me twocentsing.


I thought more about this yesterday, and my good wife came up with the same opinion, that these nouns used as verbs are a good idea if they represent a shorter way to express the idea: "impact" for "hit" does not pass this test, but "Circle the wagons!" compared with "Drive your wagons into a circle and then stop, leaving no gaps!" is an improvement.
The West would never have been won if the mavens had their way back then.
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Valpower
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2005 09:36 am
McTag wrote:
I thought more about this yesterday, and my good wife came up with the same opinion, that these nouns used as verbs are a good idea if they represent a shorter way to express the idea: "impact" for "hit" does not pass this test, but "Circle the wagons!" compared with "Drive your wagons into a circle and then stop, leaving no gaps!" is an improvement.
The West would never have been won if the mavens had their way back then.


I agree that impact fails as a synonym for hit, but I have acceded to its use, without using it meself (making me something of a compassionate conservative) where it means "to have an impact on" or "affect".
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Clary
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2005 10:36 am
One gets used to things. I remember my revulsion when 'access' as a verb came in. Now I use it. JTT is right that of course languages evolve in just this way, but one can still be allowed a shudder - that's what this thread's for, isn't it? But the other day I saw 'signature that' instead of sign it - going too far!
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keeylad
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2005 10:55 am
yes i belive that is a step too far kill the man who typed such a poor manuscript, or send him to work in siberia whichever is more dasterdly i leave the choise in your capable hands.
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Valpower
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2005 01:32 pm
Clary wrote:
One gets used to things. I remember my revulsion when 'access' as a verb came in. Now I use it. JTT is right that of course languages evolve in just this way, but one can still be allowed a shudder - that's what this thread's for, isn't it? But the other day I saw 'signature that' instead of sign it - going too far!


One is not only allowed to shudder, but to resist. I'm quite sure Mr. Pinker, somewhere, must acknowledge the inevitability, ubiquity, and function of resistance. I'd hate to imagine that he thinks it is the strict and willful province of a handful of language mavens with nothing better to do.

Speaking of silly synonyms for signing one's name, do the Brits have an equivalent to "putting one's John Hancock" on a document?
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McTag
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2005 01:36 pm
"Signature that", I can scarcely credit it. Bizarre, no?

I have heard though, in the motor trade, you can "valet" a car in order to "mint it up a bit"

In the antique furniture business, you can "distress" furniture to make it look older.

Any more?
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JTT
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2005 04:28 pm
Valpower wrote:


One is not only allowed to shudder, but to resist. I'm quite sure Mr. Pinker, somewhere, must acknowledge the inevitability, ubiquity, and function of resistance. I'd hate to imagine that he thinks it is the strict and willful province of a handful of language mavens with nothing better to do.


All descriptive language scientists recognize that people will whine and kvetch about these things, Valpower. Such is the nature of humans. What they also recognize is the futility of such whining.

Quote:

The Decline of Grammar - G Nunberg
Most of my fellow linguists, in fact, would say that it is absurd even to talk about a language changing for the better or the worse. When you have the historical picture before you, and can see how Indo-European gradually slipped into Germanic, Germanic into Anglo-Saxon, and Anglo-Saxon into the English of Chaucer, then Shakespeare, and then Henry James, the process of linguistic change seems as ineluctable and impersonal as continental drift.

From this Olympian point of view, not even the Norman invasion had much of an effect on the structure of the language, and all the tirades of all the grammarians since the Renaissance sound like the prattlings of landscape gardeners who hope by frantic efforts to keep Alaska from bumping into Asia.


Much of it is, indeed, mavens who have nothing better to do. If they had something better to do, one might expect them to get it right at least once in a long while. Smile
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2005 04:35 pm
my peeve is QUALITY

Quality removals

Quality distribution

Quality diagnostic systems appraisals

What quality? indifferent? lousey? Very good?

balls

delivering quality bathroom fitments throughout the uk

Its a ****ing abstract noun not a ****ing adjective
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McTag
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jul, 2005 01:12 am
Good one Steve.

Steve rhymes with peeve.

You win the Post of the Day

Which is my birthday, happy birthday to me.

Smile
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Clary
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jul, 2005 01:18 am
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU, MCTAG! Another year older and deeper in debt, wayhay.
May we goodwish you on this auspicious occasion. (oh yes, farewelling...)
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Vivien
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jul, 2005 01:29 am
how about this one?

' .......he turns 100, he plans to summit Mt. Vaughan'

from an 'inspirational' bit of writing by a Susan Darley, who has recently addressed some artists conferences - yes, she's American.
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JTT
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jul, 2005 02:19 am
McTag wrote:
Good one Steve.

Steve rhymes with peeve.

You win the Post of the Day

Which is my birthday, happy birthday to me.

Smile


Happy Birthday to you Mr McTag !!!!!!
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Clary
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jul, 2005 03:13 am
Re signatures - I don't think we have the equivalent of the US John Hancock - King John and Magna Carta would spring to mind as a good candidate.
Has anyone heard of 'write a Collins' which is a thank-you letter after you've stayed with someone, from Jane Austen's odious Mr Collins in P and P? I seem to remember it was a letter intended to flatter but actually managed to insult all the family. <confused, wish I hadn't started this!>
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McTag
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jul, 2005 03:22 am
No, but these questions lead on to rhyming slang, and things akin.

I have heard of a name being referred to as a "Monica Rose" which comes from "monicker"

As in, "Put your Monica Rose down there"

But that's not very handy, very clever, or very laudable, so I wasn't going to mention it.

Thanks for your good wishes, folks; I'll be gone for a couple of days, in an hour or two. Don't fight while I'm gone, will you. :wink:
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jul, 2005 03:24 am
are you listening to the 5 live?

sounds really bad lot worse than a "power outage"
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Francis
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jul, 2005 03:34 am
Bad news...
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Piffka
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jul, 2005 08:29 am
McTag wrote:
Good one Steve.

Steve rhymes with peeve.

You win the Post of the Day

Which is my birthday, happy birthday to me.

Smile


Happy Birthday, McTag! I've been checking around a2k to make sure that the Brits are all accounted for. Hope you were not heading to London for the weekend.... or Edinburgh either. Gads, caught between a rock and a hard place. Be well and live to enjoy so many more birthdays that your great-great-great grandchildren praise you for their excellent genes.
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Clary
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2005 02:24 am
McTag wrote:


I have heard of a name being referred to as a "Monica Rose" which comes from "monicker"


Presumably monicker came from Monica Rose - I can't find any refs to her, maybe a different Monica, such as Monica Frame = name?
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McTag
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2005 11:12 am
Went to Edinburgh, am back now, there was no trouble really but some bomb scares and some sirens.
Had a v v nice time thanks, many calories.

I think "Monica Rose" might have been something to do with sailing...can't remember, will check.
Anyway, it was ersatz cockney slang really.
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McTag
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2005 02:22 pm
Nah, she was a co-presenter with Hughie Green on "Opportunity Knocks" in the 1970s. A household name, obviously.

(British talent-show programme, once very popular, nationwide prime-time)
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