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What are your pet peeves re English usage?

 
 
Valpower
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jul, 2005 02:46 pm
McTag wrote:
Well phooey, friend JTT, and Pinker to me is like a red rag to a bull. A pox on your Pinker, a murrain on his verbiose hide.

I think if it can be said simply, that's how it should be said.

Gosh I've just contradicted myself.

Anyway,"hit" is better than "impact" in that case, imho.


Enheart, McT. Impact problemmed me too, but I sicked of uphilling it. Besides, I think it nuances differently than hit. But that's just me twocentsing.
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McTag
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jul, 2005 02:47 pm
Here's my peeve for today (can we cope with more than one peeve at a time?)
Once again, something I heard on the radio while driving:

People who fall into the sloppy and horrible habit of overusing the phrase "any way, shape or form".

As in, for example "My kids won't have anything to do with that in any way, shape or form."

Usually "shape" and "form" have no logical place in the sentence anyway....it might be about taste (flavour) or some such thing.

I hate that.
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McTag
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jul, 2005 02:50 pm
Valpower wrote:
McTag wrote:

Gosh I've just contradicted myself.

Anyway,"hit" is better than "impact" in that case, imho.


Enheart, McT. Impact problemmed me too, but I sicked of uphilling it. Besides, I think it nuances differently than hit. But that's just me twocentsing.


Nice one, good examples. Laughing Americans are fond of this kind of construction, Brits less so, I think.
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AllanSwann
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jul, 2005 02:52 pm
One of my favorite journalism professor's pet peeves has always stuck with me is the oxymoron, "centered around" <instead of "centered on">.
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Clary
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jul, 2005 02:53 pm
Valpower wrote:


Enheart, McT. Impact problemmed me too, but I sicked of uphilling it. Besides, I think it nuances differently than hit. But that's just me twocentsing.


Yay! Valpowered to a T!
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McTag
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jul, 2005 02:56 pm
Yes. "Grouped around" is the meaning required, isn't it. I never thought of that one.

That chimes a faint chord in my foggy brain. There must be lots more of these.
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McTag
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jul, 2005 02:59 pm
Clary wrote:
Valpower wrote:


Enheart, McT. Impact problemmed me too, but I sicked of uphilling it. Besides, I think it nuances differently than hit. But that's just me twocentsing.


Yay! Valpowered to a T!


You can highball or high-tail it outta here. Or circle the wagons.
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Valpower
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jul, 2005 03:00 pm
McTag wrote:
Americans are fond of this kind of construction, Brits less so, I think.


I have to say, when I put twocentsing down, I liked it. I'm waiting for messageboard and chatroom abbreviations to become words:

imho - imhoed, imhoing To opine humbly
lol - lolled, lolling To laugh aloud
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McTag
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jul, 2005 03:04 pm
Valpower wrote:
[quote="McTag]Americans are fond of this kind of construction, Brits less so, I think.


I have to say, when I put twocentsing down, I liked it. I'm waiting for messageboard and chatroom abbreviations to become words:

imho - imhoed, imhoing To opine humbly
lol - lolled, lolling To laugh aloud[/quote]

Well that's a serious and good point. I think it unlikely to happen though, for the simple reason that people don't say these aloud.

But maybe it will evolve through mailing and texting....you may have something there.
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keeylad
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jul, 2005 03:14 pm
some people are so pretentious
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SCoates
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jul, 2005 04:13 pm
I had a russian who was learning english ask me why you "chop a tree down," and "chop a log up."

"Centered around" just got be thinking about that.
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keeylad
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jul, 2005 04:24 pm
Thays quite interesting a pondering point
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jul, 2005 05:14 pm
keeylad wrote:
some people are so pretentious


I won't pretend to understand what you mean by that . . .
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Virago
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jul, 2005 11:00 pm
Quote:
Well phooey, friend JTT, and Pinker to me is like a red rag to a bull. A pox on your Pinker, a murrain on his verbiose hide.

I think if it can be said simply, that's how it should be said.

Gosh I've just contradicted myself.

Anyway,"hit" is better than "impact" in that case, imho.


I'm sorry. I know I'm late with this (I'm having to catch up with the thread again) but it made me laugh. McTag, you're a funny guy. I like that about you.

Virago
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McTag
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2005 12:22 am
Virago wrote:
Quote:
Well phooey, friend JTT, and Pinker to me is like a red rag to a bull. A pox on your Pinker, a murrain on his verbiose hide.

I think if it can be said simply, that's how it should be said.

Gosh I've just contradicted myself.

Anyway,"hit" is better than "impact" in that case, imho.


I'm sorry. I know I'm late with this (I'm having to catch up with the thread again) but it made me laugh. McTag, you're a funny guy. I like that about you.

Virago


Embarrassed Why thank you. We're here to have fun, after all.
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JTT
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2005 01:27 am
AllanSwann wrote:
One of my favorite journalism professor's pet peeves has always stuck with me is the oxymoron, "centered around" <instead of "centered on">.


You have to watch those journalism profs, Allan. They're good at English but they're often poor at describing English and how it works.

'center' has many meanings and it doesn't always have the exact sense that it has in science or math. This is true of many words in language. We use words to effect certain meanings and the logic of language is NOT determined by the logic of math or other disciplines.

If language [meaning people] took any notice of these language mavens, there would be a vast number of idioms that would be summarily tossed from the language.

Quote:

AHD:
USAGE NOTE: Traditionally, the verb center may be freely used with the prepositions on, upon, in, or at; but some language critics have denounced its use with around as illogical or physically impossible. But the fact that writers persist in using this phrase in sentences such as The discussion centered around the need for curriculum reform, a sentence that 71 percent of the Usage Panel accepts, suggests that many people perceive center around to best represent the true nature of what they are trying to say.

Indeed, in an example like A storm of controversy centered around the king, the only appropriate choice seems to be around. Still, if one wishes to avoid the phrase center around, the phrase revolve around is available as an option. Since center can represent various relations involving having, finding, or turning about a center, the choice of a preposition depends on what is intended.

There is ample evidence for usages with each preposition listed above. The Panel accepts all of these uses except the one with at. Seventy-seven percent reject the sentence The company has been centered at Atlanta for the last five years. See Usage Note at equal.

http://www.bartleby.com/61/70/E0187000.html


Quote:

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary

M-W online:
usage The intransitive verb center is most commonly used with the prepositions in, on, at, and around. At appears to be favored in mathematical contexts; the others are found in a broad range of contexts.

Center around, a standard idiom, has often been objected to as illogical. The logic on which the objections are based is irrelevant, since center around is an idiom and idioms have their own logic.

Center on is currently more common in edited prose, and revolve around and similar verbs are available if you want to avoid center around.
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Clary
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2005 02:33 am
On a point of style. It seems that many writers who pride themselves on their English have only one style: didactic. Surely a good writer will temper the style to the context, the wind of superiority to the shorn lamb of human relations?
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McTag
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2005 03:06 am
ooooooOOOOOOoooooh

Sean Lamb
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Clary
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2005 03:33 am
Shorn pen.
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McTag
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2005 05:29 am
Clary wrote:
On a point of style. It seems that many writers who pride themselves on their English have only one style: didactic. Surely a good writer will temper the style to the context, the wind of superiority to the shorn lamb of human relations?


You better believe it, baby.
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