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Let pupils abandon spelling rules, says academic

 
 
Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2008 01:14 am
Time is wasted on learning irregular spellings, argues Professor Wells

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Children are being held back at school because they are forced to memorise irregular spellings and learn how to use the apostrophe, a leading academic will claim this week.

“In Finnish, once you have learned the letters, you know how to spell, so it would be ludicrous to hold spelling tests. In countries like Italy and Spain it’s similar. But with English it’s not phonetic, and there are just so many irregularities,” he told The Times.


One of the first topics on able2know was "Why English Spelling is Absurd" and while I agree that it is I prefer a phonetic replacement standard instead of the free-flowing evolution that Professor Wells advocates.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2008 02:19 am
@Robert Gentel,
HOORAAAAYYYYY!!!!!
Freedom, logic and decency for the children. Its about time !





David
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2008 02:28 am
@Robert Gentel,
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Theres only wun problem if there not gunna teach kids how to spell there own language and use the apostrophe. No one will have a klew wot there on about, innit?


Don't be stoopid, spelling matters
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2008 02:58 am
@Walter Hinteler,
No, Walter; u have not thought it out fully.
Its only a matter of working it out.
Where there is a will there is a way.
First there must be a filosofical commitment, i.e.,
a policy decision to turn our attention to granting an efficient system
to future generations; the same principle as the metric system.
Emotionally, I dislike the metric system,
because I learned English measurements,
but I cannot deny that a system based on ten is better;
more efficient n more convenient.
The same applies to fonetic spelling.

The non-fonetic parts of the old system will fall of their own weight.
Inefficiency is non-viable.





David
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2008 04:59 am
I just posted some complaints on a lyrics site, about how almost none of them makes use of a word processor, none uses apostrophes in the right places, and many use 'there' and 'their' interchangeably. The only result: a rap writer wanted to argue and called me "almost a hater."
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2008 05:09 am
@Walter Hinteler,
" The president of the Spelling Society says we should stop teaching
our children correct English spellings because
it is holding the little darlings back at school. "
It is false
to call the old accepted, non-fonetic way of spelling " correct ".
The old way of spelling is NOT correct.
Paradigmatic spelling is NOT correct insofar as it is non-fonetic,
because it offends logic, and it is by use of logic that we rose
to the top of the food chain.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1054092/Dont-stoopid-spelling-matters.html

edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2008 05:11 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Oh, good morning David. Are you through yet?
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2008 05:14 am
Jeeez, I hope not, Ed.
These r supposed to be the Golden Years of my life.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2008 05:20 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Get fiber. Lots of it.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2008 05:25 am
OK; I 'll call my tailor.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2008 08:38 am
@Robert Gentel,
Robert Gentel wrote:
One of the first topics on able2know was "Why English Spelling is Absurd" and while I agree that it is I prefer a phonetic replacement standard instead of the free-flowing evolution that Professor Wells advocates.

Which pronunciation of English would you choose? American English? British English? Australian English?
eoe
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2008 08:41 am
Why don't we just ditch school altogether? How about that? Rolling Eyes
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2008 08:57 am
@eoe,
Well, I can see staying home
and learning online, taking its tests, etc,
but u need to receive the necessary information somehow.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2008 08:58 am
@eoe,
in 1962?
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Gargamel
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2008 09:11 am
It's not that ******* hard. Pull your kids away from Hannah ******* Montana and give them some books.
George
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2008 09:41 am
@Gargamel,
Hannah's doing what to Montana?!?!?!
Gargamel
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2008 09:54 am
@George,
What a filthy, filthy mind.
mac11
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2008 09:57 am
@Gargamel,
Yes, but funny.
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Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2008 11:18 am
@joefromchicago,
joefromchicago wrote:
Which pronunciation of English would you choose? American English? British English? Australian English?


This is a false dilemma for phonetic spelling because the great variance is itself partly due to the lack of a phonetic standard and because having regional spelling to go along with the regional pronunciations isn't a problem.

So I'd choose American English as it is closest to what I use. If I were British I'd surely feel otherwise and given that there are already arbitrary spelling differences I see no reason why there would be a problem with regional spelling being codified based on the most logical relationship between speech and writing: phonetics.
Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2008 11:18 am
@eoe,
Because everyone who uses a phonetic language doesn't go to school. Rolling Eyes
 

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