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What are your pet peeves re English usage?

 
 
keeylad
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 02:56 pm
are well at least yeats is alive
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McTag
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2005 05:31 am
Ron Yeats used to play centre-half for Liverpool in the Shankly era.
Not a man of many words, and a dirty player.
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JTT
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2005 07:52 am
Grammar is only our conception of language. Grammar is our theory of language, no matter how much we insist that we've argued for it so beautifully that it must really exist out there.

In studying grammar, we are studying the theory we just made
up. As soon as you realize that grammar is hypothesized from beginning to end, then it only makes sense to study what you can see, hear and
intuit directly.

You look at language, not at a concept you have about language. This places language again on the throne where it should be. The stance towards it is once again reverent.'

Margaret Magnus, Description in Linguistic Theory
(1995)
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2005 08:42 am
McTag wrote:
Ron Yeats used to play centre-half for Liverpool in the Shankly era.
Not a man of many words, and a dirty player.


He may have been referring to an ealier, somewhat indifferent practitioner of the footie, who was occassionally known to scribble a line or two of verse . . .




















as though you didn't know . . .
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McTag
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2005 09:12 am
Well I knew, but didn't know which Yeats would still be among the quick.....

(although big Ron was always very vulnerable to a nimble forward running at him)
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2005 09:13 am
Wonderful silliness all around, McT . . . just the way i like it . . .
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McTag
 
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Reply Sat 2 Jul, 2005 02:02 pm
It annoys me when entertainers tell their audiences to "Put your hands together". It is stupid, as well as wrong. When I put my hands together, it doesn't make any noise.

And anyway, audiences who are motivated to applaud, will do so of their own accord.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 2 Jul, 2005 02:13 pm
I clap with one hand. Wink
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Valpower
 
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Reply Sun 3 Jul, 2005 12:55 am
McTag wrote:
It annoys me when entertainers tell their audiences to "Put your hands together". It is stupid, as well as wrong. When I put my hands together, it doesn't make any noise.

And anyway, audiences who are motivated to applaud, will do so of their own accord.


Maybe it's prayer they're seeking (and likely needing).
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Clary
 
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Reply Sun 3 Jul, 2005 12:56 am
and how about 'a big hand for...'?
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Valpower
 
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Reply Sun 3 Jul, 2005 01:01 am
Let's hear it for...
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McTag
 
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Reply Mon 4 Jul, 2005 01:52 pm
A scientist from the control centre in Pasadena was on our radio this morning and he was describing how the space probe was made to "impact" the comet.

I think if he were closer my hand might "impact" his face. Why do this to the language?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 4 Jul, 2005 02:36 pm
To quote Dr. Johnson . . . sheer ignorance . . .
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jul, 2005 07:46 am
McTag wrote:
A scientist from the control centre in Pasadena was on our radio this morning and he was describing how the space probe was made to "impact" the comet.

I think if he were closer my hand might "impact" his face. Why do this to the language?


Because that's what English does, Mr McTag. Some of these changes sound awkward to some of us, but they are perfectly natural for others. It isn't a process that weakens language, it strengthens it.

It certainly has nothing to do with ignorance. We ENLs know our language rules and we abide by them. When you take the time to check it out, these language gaffes really aren't gaffes at all.

Quote:
http://pinker.wjh.harvard.edu/articles/media/1994_01_24_thenewrepublic.html

Through the ages, language mavens have deplored the way English speakers convert nouns into verbs. The following verbs have all been denounced in this century:

to caveat to input to host to nuance to access to chair to dialogue to showcase to progress
to parent to intrigue to contact to impact


As you can see, they range from varying degrees of awkwardness to the completely unexceptionable. In fact, easy conversion of nouns to verbs has been part of English grammar for centuries; it is one of the processes that make English English.

I have estimated that about a fifth of all English verbs were originally nouns. Considering just the human body, you can [head a committee, scalp the missionary, eye a babe, stomach someone's complaints], and so on -- virtually every body part can be verbed (including several that cannot be printed in a family journal of opinion).

What's the problem? The concern seems to be that fuzzy-minded speakers are slowly eroding the distinction between nouns and verbs. But once again, the person in the street is not getting any respect. A simple quirk of everyday usage shows why the accusation is untrue.

Take the baseball term [to fly out], a verb that comes from the noun [a pop fly]. The past tense is [flied], not [flew]; no mere mortal has ever [flown out] to center field. Similarly, in using the verb-from-noun [to ring the city] (form a ring around), people say [ringed], not [rang], and for [to grandstand] (play to the grandstand), they say [grandstanded] not [grandstood].

Speakers' preference for the regular form with [-ed] shows that they are tacitly sensitive to the fact that the verbs came from nouns. They avoid irregular forms like [flew out] because they intuitively sense that the baseball verb [to fly] is different from the ordinary verb [to fly] (what birds do): the first is a verb based on a noun root, the second, a verb with a verb root.

Only the verb root is allowed to have the irregular past-tense form [flew], because only for verb roots does it make sense to have [any] past-tense form. The quirk shows that when people use a noun as a verb, they are making their mental dictionaries more sophisticated, not less so -- it's not that words are losing their identities as verbs versus nouns; rather, there are verbs, there are nouns, and there are verbs based on nouns, and people store each one with a different mental tag.

The most remarkable aspect of the special status of verbs-from-nouns is that everyone feels it. I have tried out examples on hundreds of people -- college students, volunteers without a college education, and children as young as four. They all behave like good intuitive grammarians: they inflect verbs that come from nouns differently from plain old verbs.
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keeylad
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jul, 2005 08:21 am
yes but im quite conservative when it comes to langueage i fear change like a fat kid fears exercise
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jul, 2005 12:36 pm
"langueage"

I sea
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Clary
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jul, 2005 12:40 pm
Oxford prefers careful spellers...
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jul, 2005 12:47 pm
Clary my dear, you are not still peeved by some aspect of English usage?

Oxford prefers careful spellers

this mus t be an acronym

for OPCS

meaning....wait for it....nearly there

old pharts constitutionally sceptical

(pardon Cotes du Rhone...Sainsburys 13.5%)
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McTag
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jul, 2005 02:16 pm
Well phooey, friend JTT, and Pinker to me is like a red rag to a bull. A pox on your Pinker, a murrain on his verbiose hide.

I think if it can be said simply, that's how it should be said.

Gosh I've just contradicted myself.

Anyway,"hit" is better than "impact" in that case, imho.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jul, 2005 02:19 pm
phoooey

no reason jus tliked the sound of it
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